FARGIN HONDAS! Halp me DG, you is my only hope!

[Russell]

[QUOTE=STINEY;663225]
Redneck in me wants to know what it does with a throatfull of ether? I know it shouldn't make a difference, but.....
[QUOTE]

great minds think a like!

[Thumpin455]

Good wires means less than 18 ohms resistance. These are relatively new and only have 2.5 ohms at most. I dont have any ether, and I dont want to lift the head. Fuel system is return, been thinking about pulling the fuel out of the tank and replacing it. There is no schrader valve to test the pressure on this thing, otherwise I would have used something.

I would threaten it with a slow drive past the junkyard but the yard is 30 miles away.

I am sure that it is just some small thing I am missing, most of it is my own ignorance and I know that. I just dont know jack about Honda.

[Deaf Bob]

Know a guy who used an adjustable BIC lighter set on large flame and cranked an engine with the flame lit over the carb and it started...... I never could do it like he... Guess I'm no shade tree mechanic.. Or any kinda mechanic..

[Barry Donovan]

fire timing or valve timing.

its all there being an idiot some place.

a pop on one of the fires..180 out?
I'd rather a two belted leaky intaked cockeyed sintered demented japanese boxer engine.

[oldsman496]

assuming this is still a factory pcm car... your OBDII system should be generating codes. P codes at least. Your local auto parts store should have a scanner you can rent. our shop makes you pay basically the full purchase price as a deposit, Credit card time, but you get it all back when you return it undamaged...

the OBDII may have some info for you...

draining and changing the fuel is a great idea though if you have any doubts.

although - if the failure has JUST occured, and is sufficient enough to cause the vehicle to be undrivable, the OBDII decison management software may not have been able to run its system tests to get you much info...a certain number of drive cycles are required before it will report DTC's and light the MIL ... such as what would happen if somebody watered your gas tank...

but since you say it had drivabilty issues prior to this occurence... it may have some enlightening info...worth a try eh?

[R442]

Not sure if this will help or not but I fought my sons ex girlfriends Altima for 3 nights with the same symptoms, it had what looked like good spark, fuel and the timing was dead on. I tried starting fluid didn't help , I pulled the plugs to clear the fuel from the cylinders, and being in the middle of winter I used a small propane torch to burn the excess fuel out of the cylinders. It turned out to be a weak battery due to a corroded connection. It did this 3 times before she replaced the battery, it ran like a champ after that.

Good luck, I know the frustration you are going through.

[Thumpin455]

Well so far it isnt anything simple. The pump works good, getting signal to the injectors I can hear them ticking with a stethoscope I just got, has GREAT spark, and a bunch of new parts. Still does the same damn thing. The only thing left is the timing belt. How the hell can it have perfect cranking compression with the timing belt out of whack? How can all the marks line up and it is still off? That is the only thing it can be.

Since I can put carb cleaner, ether, and fuel in the intake and it still wont start tells me it has to be timing. It is getting everything else. How can it all line up and still be off? It doesnt make any damn sense. The distributor runs off one of the cams, there are no timing marks on this thing to check with a light, so it simply cant be something between the cam and distributor.

Well I guess I get to tear into the front of the engine tonight and see if it is a belt. Might as well throw one of those at it too. Just keep chucking parts at it until something sticks. @#_()%R_(&%$ annoying for sure. It just doesnt make sense with everything else being good or perfect.

Anyone want to come up here and drink lots of beer with me? Maybe some whiskey and we can insult the Honda and threaten it with the VFD's extrication tools? They have been wanting to cut a car up for a while now, why not this one? The next time someone asks me to fix a Honda, I will tell them I dont know anything about cars, I just have a bunch of stuff in my yard and kindly gnomes come by in the night and make them shiny and fast.

[Thumpin455]

Great week. Now my air compressor is FUBAR. Had to search an hour for brake line parts after they got moved during the rescue truck painting. Everything is breaking and I cant work on the hotrods, then after dealing with beaters and crap, I dont want to mess with the fun stuff anyway.

Lets just scrap everything and buy a new Subaru, when it rusts in half, we buy another.

[milner351]

Man I've been there! Walk away for a while and try to get your mind off things

[dieselgeek]

Todd, it was good talking to you this weekend!

ONe thing to look at, on that engine if the timing belt slips it's 99% likely to strip teeth on the belt. Spin it around with the top timing cover off and see if you can find a row of stripped belt teeth.

-Scott

[Thumpin455]

Already did that, and no striped teeth. With the compression being good, it just doesnt make sense. Its the only thing it can be now, so I am tearing into the front of the engine today.

I have walked away from this thing every day I have worked on it. Ive done it so many times its like I am not even working on it. 3-4 hours and it will be done, or beyond anything I can do to it. If the timing belt isnt it, then its time for a faith healer, exorcist, or someone to administer last rites.

I feel like a noob, learning all about cars all over again. Really kicking my self confidence in the ass. I will beat this F)*@#&$ Honda.

[moparmaniac07]

Bad ECU?

[oldsman496]

it takes a computer to talk to a computer. most techs in dealerships hook up a scanner as the first step in troubleshooting an OBDII vehicle. its easy. and the net will give you a bunch of info on the codes... just google 'em.

in this case,... computers are your friend

[Thumpin455]

Sure computers are my friend, but the stupid thing wont talk to my OBDII scanner. Trust me, its the first thing I did and its the first thing I always do on computer cars. DG told me about the Harbor Freight scanners, but we dont have an HF around these parts. Probably the closest one would be Green Bay or Milwaukee. Today I tore into the front of the engine, and the timing marks still look right. As long as they are supposed to all line up at TDC #1 on compression, then they are right. Belt is kinda loose and one is on the way, so its getting replaced since its almost all open. Just need to figure a way to get the balancer bolt off. I am thinking a rope in the cylinder like when I replace BBC valve springs.

If the belt isnt it, then I am done with it.

[oldsman496]

if the scanner tests good then your pcm may be having issues... just sayin'... good luck man. if that belt don't fix it... I'd put two in its head an make sure its dead.