H3 is 10x better offroad then the truck. The h3 has more power, shorter wheelbase, electric locker, and electronic stability. It has better approach and departure angles. The suspension the h3 is far more compliant then the pickup... there's no comparison between the two. It's also better on-road.
In snow, the pickup you need to know how to drive in the snow, and even then it's still a white knuckler because you never know when the brakes are going to lock up.
Or more quantitatively. I ski at Stevens Pass. In the H3 (80 miles a direction) I make it there is just under 1 hour 15 minutes. The truck, a good day is 1h 45m. Going back from the resort is the same thing because the H3 is so much better in the snow.
And really, since diesel is more expensive, it's a wash on cost of fuel.
I suspect that you hate the pretentious people who buy H3s and wouldn't know how to lock the rear diff or when.... but whether or not you like them or Land Rovers - they're still amazing off road.... despite the people who buy them. Nice thing about LRs is they're Buick powered (until recently).
and really, don't talk to me about Jeeps. If you plan on using them you need replace the axles, motor, box the frame and put a roll cage in it - that's no longer a Jeep.
Last edited by SuperBuickGuy; September 20, 2012, 08:56 PM.
I'll agree on Jeep..
Loved my Land Cruiser FJ40...went everywhere I pointed it... Clay hills..knee deep barnyard mud, and streams.. What fun to drive and play, not constantly comealonging and pulling
Buddy can't say the same about his jeep...I was forever turning around and backtracking to find where he got stuck..
Wanna try a true Land Rover with the Buick in it...
i just know how many of those i see stuck in the middle of the road out where i live the county refuses to plow my road been this way for the last 3 years even after petitions and letters of complaint
Originally posted by Remy-Z;n1167534
Congratulations, man. You've just inherited the "Patron Saint of Automotive Lost Causes" from me. No question.
75Grand AM 455:Pissed off GrandMA, 68 Volkswagen Type1 "beetle":it will run some year
i just know how many of those i see stuck in the middle of the road out where i live the county refuses to plow my road been this way for the last 3 years even after petitions and letters of complaint
Tires are everything... Helps to not be overconfident and knowing how to drive...
Last edited by Deaf Bob; September 20, 2012, 09:54 PM.
H3 is 10x better offroad then the truck. The h3 has more power, shorter wheelbase, electric locker, and electronic stability. It has better approach and departure angles. The suspension the h3 is far more compliant then the pickup... there's no comparison between the two. It's also better on-road.
In snow, the pickup you need to know how to drive in the snow, and even then it's still a white knuckler because you never know when the brakes are going to lock up.
Or more quantitatively. I ski at Stevens Pass. In the H3 (80 miles a direction) I make it there is just under 1 hour 15 minutes. The truck, a good day is 1h 45m. Going back from the resort is the same thing because the H3 is so much better in the snow.
And really, since diesel is more expensive, it's a wash on cost of fuel.
I suspect that you hate the pretentious people who buy H3s and wouldn't know how to lock the rear diff or when.... but whether or not you like them or Land Rovers - they're still amazing off road.... despite the people who buy them. Nice thing about LRs is they're Buick powered (until recently).
and really, don't talk to me about Jeeps. If you plan on using them you need replace the axles, motor, box the frame and put a roll cage in it - that's no longer a Jeep.
Whatever you have to tell yourself so you can sleep at night LOL!
If you can leave two black stripes from the exit of one corner to the braking zone of the next, you have enough horsepower. - Mark Donohue
I'll agree on Jeep..
Loved my Land Cruiser FJ40...went everywhere I pointed it... Clay hills..knee deep barnyard mud, and streams.. What fun to drive and play, not constantly comealonging and pulling
Buddy can't say the same about his jeep...I was forever turning around and backtracking to find where he got stuck..
Wanna try a true Land Rover with the Buick in it...
I've had 7 FJ40s. I like them a lot - what I don't like is the ride, and those burfields (however you spell that).... I'd carry spares because I was forever blowing those up (that and rear driveshaft flange bolts). Funniest part, the worst one (about eating front joints) was the 61 straight 6 I had. Granted, it had a header, a cam, and a holley carb - but it wasn't that powerful.
And I'd also tell my jeep friends that when they were done upgrading their CJs - boxed frame, 3/4 ton running gear - that they'd have an FJ.
two years ago, it dumped 4' of snow and the county didn't plow the road for 10 days. I was the ONLY person getting out. Everyone else wasn't - and I was forever pulling those cute little SUVs and Subarus out of drifts.
Last edited by SuperBuickGuy; September 21, 2012, 06:29 AM.
You'll love it, but if you're going to do it, get an earlier Range Rover, (pre '95) RR Classic, or Discovery I (which mechanically is essentially a RR Classic).
Biggest reason I say that? No airbags and not as many electrics to crap out, and they will crap out at the worst possible moment.
I think I've stated before I've owned both a DI and a DII, I still have the DI with 220k on it, the DII we owned for 3 years and couldn't drive the thing more than 3k at a time without having something go wrong that only the dealer could diag. and fix. The final straw was the climate control going wonky and the dealer spent a bunch of time (and my money) and still couldn't get it right (Las Vegas in the middle of summer with the a/c starting up when it feels like it and cutting out at random times? HELL NO!!!).
Discoveries are cheap now, their resale value was never great to begin with but with the newer styles the values have really gone in the toilet (run away from the '96-'97s though), they're easy to work on and the parts aren't as expensive as you might think.
You'll love it, but if you're going to do it, get an earlier Range Rover, (pre '95) RR Classic, or Discovery I (which mechanically is essentially a RR Classic).
Biggest reason I say that? No airbags and not as many electrics to crap out, and they will crap out at the worst possible moment.
I think I've stated before I've owned both a DI and a DII, I still have the DI with 220k on it, the DII we owned for 3 years and couldn't drive the thing more than 3k at a time without having something go wrong that only the dealer could diag. and fix. The final straw was the climate control going wonky and the dealer spent a bunch of time (and my money) and still couldn't get it right (Las Vegas in the middle of summer with the a/c starting up when it feels like it and cutting out at random times? HELL NO!!!).
Discoveries are cheap now, their resale value was never great to begin with but with the newer styles the values have really gone in the toilet (run away from the '96-'97s though), they're easy to work on and the parts aren't as expensive as you might think.
I'd kill my firstborn for a Defender... oh wait, I don't have kids... still, I like those a lot. Still, those are spendy, spendy here in the states.... so spendy, that I priced bringing one from England and converting it to LHD - it'd be cheaper and I'd have a nicer rig.
Last edited by SuperBuickGuy; September 21, 2012, 08:53 AM.
As talented as you are, you could take a D1 or RR classic and section 10" out of the frame and have a D90, or add 10" and have a D110 (or get a RR LWB/County). Except for where the steering stabilizer mounts up, they all have nearly the same suspension setup & geometry, width, everything. I've always wanted to import a D1 delivery diesel (two door Discovery) and convert it to LHD.
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