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  • Brian Lohnes
    Administrator
    • Jan 2008
    • 18784

    #1

    If you're into the submarine thread...

    You may dig this. I am no Naval historian or anything, but I once read a short blurb of a story about a ship named the USS Borie which had been engaged in one of the strangest naval battles of WWII. It got me kind of obssed with learning more about the story.

    The Borie, by the time WWII rolled around was old. The ship had been built in 1919 and had seen lots of action around the world. In 1943 it became part of a group of ships hunting U-Boats off the east coast of America. Anyway, they enganed a German U-Boat and forced it to the surface after chasing it around and launching depth charges at it.

    The ship ended up trying to ram the sub, but just before they hit it, a big wave lifted the ship and set it down on the bow of the sumbarine! They were locked together for 15 minutes. The sailors opened up the armory and started shooting the sub with hand guns, sub machine guns and even flare guns! There was a guy on the ship was massive. He actually threw empty shell casings at the Germans and several accounts say that he actually knocked one guy off the deck of the sub into the ocean with one. The Germans were trying to get out of the conning tower and to their deck gun to fire back, but none were successful due to the heavy fire from the Borie sailors.

    They got untangled and the sub exploded and sank shortly after the encounter. The Borie was fatally wounded and the crew had to abandon ship the following evening as the ship was sinking and the boilers were nearly submerged. 49 died on the sub and about 30 men from the Borie died in the cold waters of the north Atlantic. The vast majority of the crew was saved by the other ships in the sub hunting group.

    The Borie went out in a blaze of glory though as the USS Barry was tasked with putting the ship under. It's guns finished the job.

    This is selliing the story WAY short. Read the full accounts below, they are enthralling.



    These are the declassified Naval documents involving the encounter and it's just awesome stuff:



    Here is an electronic copy of a Time magazine story that ran shortly after the battle in 1943:




    Brian
    That which you manifest is before you.
  • hoofhearted
    Superhero BangShifter
    • Nov 2007
    • 2093

    #2
    Re: If you're into the submarine thread...

    Thanks Brian, that was some good reading. I've always liked history.
    OH YEAH
    Long haul 07. 08. 10, 11, and 13. Looking forward to 2014

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    • ecniv
      Superhero BangShifter
      • Dec 2007
      • 474

      #3
      Re: If you're into the submarine thread...

      Destroyermen. Gotta love the tin can sailor.

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      • 1988montecarloss
        Superhero BangShifter
        • Feb 2009
        • 3198

        #4
        Re: If you're into the submarine thread...

        cool stuff. ive always liked reading about moonshiners/bootleggers myself ;)

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        • fahrenschnell
          Legendary BangShifter
          • Jan 2008
          • 6787

          #5
          Re: If you're into the submarine thread...

          Good Stuff Brian.....I love the Sailor Stories.

          Seth
          200 mph or bust.......

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          • Junk Whisperer
            Superhero BangShifter
            • Jan 2009
            • 2837

            #6
            Re: If you're into the submarine thread...

            Makes me wish I wore my Sailor outfit :o ;D.......EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HEEE HEEE HEEE ;D.......anywho,a great story,Brian. ~J/W-006.

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            • JRoberts
              Shutdown Wading Pool Lifeguard
              • Nov 2007
              • 2341

              #7
              Re: If you're into the submarine thread...

              Great piece Brian, thanks. Lots of sailors lost their lives protecting the Atlantic coast of North America. In Ocracoke, NC ( one of the islands that make up the Outer Banks.) their is a small cemetery with the graves of some British sailors who were washed up on the beach after an encounter with a U-boat. The British flag still flies over them. We need stories like these just to remind us of the sacrifices these guys made so we have what we do today.

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              • Brian Lohnes
                Administrator
                • Jan 2008
                • 18784

                #8
                Re: If you're into the submarine thread...

                In an interesting irony, the captain of the Borie jokingly had drawn a "ramming sight" on the glass of the bridge (sorry if my terminology is wrong here) weeks before their encounter with th U-boat. When they lined up the sub to ram it, the captain was barking at the guy steering to use the ramming sight! Without that wave I wonder if the destroyer would have been damaged?

                Brian
                That which you manifest is before you.

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                • fahrenschnell
                  Legendary BangShifter
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 6787

                  #9
                  Re: If you're into the submarine thread...

                  It probably still would have suffered major damage......Surface ship hulls use a lot of ribbing and thin metal for the hull.....Subs need thick hulls everywhere in order to withstand the constant pressure everywhere.....Not to mention the type of metal used on a Sub hull..... ;)

                  It took the shipyard 2 days to cut a 2' X3' hole in our Sub.....Working 24 hours a day. :o

                  Seth
                  200 mph or bust.......

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                  • N20Silverado
                    Tire Chirper
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 76

                    #10
                    Re: If you're into the submarine thread...

                    Originally posted by fahrenschnell
                    It probably still would have suffered major damage......Surface ship hulls use a lot of ribbing and thin metal for the hull.....Subs need thick hulls everywhere in order to withstand the constant pressure everywhere.....Not to mention the type of metal used on a Sub hull..... ;)

                    It took the shipyard 2 days to cut a 2' X3' hole in our Sub.....Working 24 hours a day. :o

                    Seth
                    Why do people need to cut a 2'*3' hole in a sub? :P

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                    • fahrenschnell
                      Legendary BangShifter
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 6787

                      #11
                      Re: If you're into the submarine thread...

                      To replace Main Seawater Pump Motors.....They don't fit out of the existing hatches.

                      Seth
                      200 mph or bust.......

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                      • N20Silverado
                        Tire Chirper
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 76

                        #12
                        Re: If you're into the submarine thread...

                        Originally posted by fahrenschnell
                        To replace Main Seawater Pump Motors.....They don't fit out of the existing hatches.

                        Seth
                        gotcha, if it is that hard to cut is it also a pain to weld.

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                        • fahrenschnell
                          Legendary BangShifter
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 6787

                          #13
                          Re: If you're into the submarine thread...

                          Yep....Welding took forever. I stopped paying attention after a few days. From what I understand it is the thickness that is the biggest problem. I can't say how thick though.... :P

                          Seth
                          200 mph or bust.......

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                          • N20Silverado
                            Tire Chirper
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 76

                            #14
                            Re: If you're into the submarine thread...

                            Originally posted by fahrenschnell
                            Yep....Welding took forever. I stopped paying attention after a few days. From what I understand it is the thickness that is the biggest problem. I can't say how thick though.... :P

                            Seth
                            just between you and me, no one else is reading this ;D

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                            • 65RHDEER
                              Superhero BangShifter
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 1462

                              #15
                              Re: If you're into the submarine thread...

                              Originally posted by N20Silverado
                              Originally posted by fahrenschnell
                              Yep....Welding took forever. I stopped paying attention after a few days. From what I understand it is the thickness that is the biggest problem. I can't say how thick though.... :P

                              Seth
                              just between you and me, no one else is reading this ;D
                              Seth, you can tell him I've got my eyes shut ;)
                              Tim
                              Melbourne Australia

                              65 Hardtop Impala, 70 GTS Monaro, 93 "80" Landcruiser

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