Horse with no name - 1987 Mustang GT

[Beagle]

Did I miss where you have installed SFCs?

I don't have time to have it done and I'm not that confident in my welding. I may or may not have a cage here in time to put that in. It would be for rigidity and piece of mind, it won't be fast enough to need one. In fact, I'll be freaking happy if it busts into the 13's! lmao.

[Beagle]

I did have time for one critical update today:



I'll fix it tomorrow when I'm sober. pfffft.

[hauen]

Looks perfect to me.

[Brian Lohnes]

This rules....just sayin'.

[1badmonkey]

255-60x15's are a pretty good fit, MT ET Street Radials, good call 1BadMonkey. It's about all I thought I would like to see on that rim. I couldn't get used to the 275 on a 7" rim.

You might be able to see it, there's some crap on the tread. The junk on them is grass! Sticky? Fronts are 195 65's. The front end is a mile high, I'll worry about it later. The camber is jacked beyond belief and it's pretty toed in. I think they put new tie rod ends on it and never got it aligned. I'll take it to the shop and get it aligned before I drive it any. The camber has the front wheels looking a lot more goofy than they really are.

All the black crap on the body is conversion primer, it has (had/still has) some surface rust on the paint. Pretty, it won't be. I told Monica it was a 400 footer, she gets it. lol.

looks damn spiffy! it fills the well and just looks good

[Beagle]

The shipping fairies were buuusssyyyy yesterday. I got home from Dad's this morning to find:

351 long tubes, h-pipe, Carpet, and mystery box I didn't get a chance to find out yet, sure hope it's the 351 oil pan.

[Beagle]

Figures .. the pistons for the 393 (387) are going to show up on Saturday. Must resist temptation to wait on balancing. Engine needs to go in this weekend.

[BBR]

I made up a cheer so Monica can keep you motivated.

Go.
Beagle.
Go Beagle swap a motor.
Go.
Beagle.
Go Beagle swap a motor.

Silly question, but you do have the right balance flexplate for an AOD behind a 351, right?

[Beagle]

ordered one from a Crown Vic, 351 cop car, 28oz, AOD? I think it's the only one that works based on parts strictly speaking, but I thought the C4 from the 28 oz years would work?

I hear your song.. but it sounds like Bo Diddly to me?

Go Beagle Go beagle Go swap a motor
No other reason 'splains that odor

And If that AOD don't fit
Beagle don't really give a shit

Aint gonna be an OD mourner
Got a C4 sittin in the corner

If that drive shaft man won't stretch it
One in Garland, step and fetch it

Go Beagle Go Beagle got all weekend
Got a Speedy bet to defend!

haha. yeah, I suck.

[Beagle]

ah, to that song... and my paranoia! The 28oz C4 flexplate is an interchange, I know there is one of those in the corner. C4, 4.10's, 27" tire? yikes. Definitely trying the AOD first.

If this doesn't play nice, it will be the LX by Tuesday morning. Not screwing around any more. lmao. Back out to the garage!

[Beagle]

I hate this forum software - backspace at the wrong time and blam, there goes your book. Short version this time.

0. Spent last night cleaning and moving junk so car could come in. I was up at 2a yesterday so I didn't get a lot done and was on my face by 10p.

a) Wrong pushrods. F. Nice. They're for a retro roller, this is a roller block and so is the xe274. I guess I'll put the 270 retro roller in there, but I don't like it for this motor. 216/224 , huge bias for exhaust, old blower cam.

b) obligatory motor pic, this sucker is clean for a 100k motor.



F250 or Lightning is the way to go if you are doing a 351 into a stang. Has the right water pump, all ready for a serpentine setup. Oil cooler setup but I'll have to wait on that part, it will come off.

Hard to see it, but still crosshatched and that is a stain, there is no ring ledge. The head gasket was a Felpro, but I've seen those on a bunch of Fords from the factory.



the crap down in the bore is the head gasket stuff. Planning on new rings but I'm getting despondent about all the compromises so I may just clean it and slap it in. I'm really starting to think Nitrous on a Dual Plane and Hypers and checking the plugs for metal. To hell with it, I can make it right later.

Looking at the top of the pistons is the only reason I like unleaded... 100k, no real carbon, the bit that is there is soft. This thing must have been babied.

[Beagle]

Crap!!!!

I'm looking around to see if I can find a 302 pickup, but check this out. The pan kit from FMS? The flange to the oil pump is 180* out of phase.

See bolt not line up? CRAP.





See how it points if it's bolted on the way it should fit?



One small bonus, that's a brand new timing chain on it. I sure hope the 302 pickup will work here or I will cry like a little girl who got pushed off her bicycle and skinned her knee.

I guess I can cut it and braze it back , but the way they made it "fit" in their jig I thnk it makes the stud attachment wrong also. It looks kinda like the welded it on backwards.

[Beagle]

Maybe because it's a Truck pump. The 302 pump is too short but the direction is correct. Counting trips to the Oreilly?

Here's number one.

Oh - and the 393 pistons just showed up. Awesome. Temptation. lmfao, this is as usual a comedy of errors.

[cantvalve16]

Stay focused Beags. You gotta keep making progress and get something screwed together. Path of least resistance, buddy.

[Beagle]

hell, that is focused. lol.

Went to Oreilly's and had a look at the new pump. It's like the one on the truck. The 351 pumps are longer and have a different bolt pattern for the pickup. The 302 pump from the mutt is a front pickup. This is a dual pickup pan , with a rear pickup sump. I think the 302 oil pump will work. I wish the pickup was with this 351, I think it would work. The pan is a little deeper on the truck pan. I'm gonna take another look and see if I have the truck pickup and if it will fit with the Crown Vic pan (that's all this is in the FMS kit). The truck pan has a deeper crossmember clearance, but is very similar otherwise. I'm not sure it wouldn't work, but I was thinkning I would be better off with the Ford Motorsport conversion pan. I will get back to you guys when I take it back out for the 387 build as I will have time to f*utz around with it then.

Back at the shop, looks like maybe two choices:

Stock pickup from truck pan and 351 oil pump
FMS pickup and 302 oil pump.

Looks like a 1/4 - 5/16 difference in shaft height on the two pumps with the 302 setup making a smaller distance. I can grind the pump shaft if it causes interference with distributor->oil pump driveshaft->oil pump distance.

/edit - seems like I'm finding stuff about HV oil pump not working but I don't think it this is a HV oil pump and the one I looked at from Oreilly's was also not a HV pump, stock cop car pump. I think I'll try the 302 pump, looks like will clear the counterweights. I read a lot of stuff that makes me think of people who post right out of their ass on the internet, having not really put a wrench on what they claim to know. Sigh.

Onward through the Fog!



Ahhh... you know, it's a lot easier to not try to mix parts on Fords. lmao. I'm showing my lack of attention to detail.

The 351 oil pump drive shaft is bigger than a 302's, and the 302 pump won't clear the counterweights. This pickup is just wrong, and with that.. I'm going to have a beer and think about it.