Why round exhaust pipe?

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  • BigBlockMopar
    Superhero BangShifter
    • Nov 2007
    • 3498

    #16
    Here's another one...
    With the same wall diameter, a round tube has the same strength and bend resistance in all directions. A square tube only in 4.
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    • TC
      Banned
      • Nov 2007
      • 11805

      #17
      Well Nascar doesn't have a problem using square exhaust.......


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      • DanStokes
        Ancient LSR Guy
        • Oct 2007
        • 28665

        #18
        My guess is that it really won't hurt performance in any significant way and often Hot Rodding is the Art of the Possible. As I understand gas flow in a pipe, there would be individual vortecees (sp?) in each corner, leading to significant boundary layers. But "a difference isn't a difference unless it makes a difference" (C. Don Paulsell) and I suspect that this wouldn't matter in any practical way.

        Dan

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        • anotheridiot
          Superhero BangShifter
          • Feb 2012
          • 1922

          #19
          Originally posted by squirrel View Post
          around here, houses are all built on concrete slabs.

          But yeah...making a big square duct is easier to branch off of. This has nothing to do with exhaust tubing.
          square duct also fits between the structure of the building walls to allow the big pipe, otherwise you would have to use 2x10's to get round pipe upstairs.
          If you can make a transition I think it would look good. You did mention 1 1/4 x 5 which is well bigger than 2 1/2" round, its closer to 3". There is the back pressure discussion that usually ends up being brought into the discussion that may be a bigger downside of square pipe. I am not about low riding cars, but might steal your idea.

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          • SuperBuickGuy
            No Life Outside BangShift.com
            • Jan 2008
            • 32242

            #20
            Originally posted by BigBlockMopar View Post
            Here's another one...
            With the same wall diameter, a round tube has the same strength and bend resistance in all directions. A square tube only in 4.
            tell that to my exhaust pipe that got crushed on a driveway entrance

            Originally posted by anotheridiot View Post
            square duct also fits between the structure of the building walls to allow the big pipe, otherwise you would have to use 2x10's to get round pipe upstairs.
            If you can make a transition I think it would look good. You did mention 1 1/4 x 5 which is well bigger than 2 1/2" round, its closer to 3". There is the back pressure discussion that usually ends up being brought into the discussion that may be a bigger downside of square pipe. I am not about low riding cars, but might steal your idea.
            dumb questions generally turn into the next great idea use away, I'm thinking of using a flowmaster type muffler I built years ago, cutting the back off it, then transitioning to an elbow then the outlet
            Doing it all wrong since 1966

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            • skullbucket
              Banned
              • Dec 2011
              • 556

              #21
              Round pipes have less wall resistance just like a sewer pipe so there is nothing to hang up on.

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              • SuperBuickGuy
                No Life Outside BangShift.com
                • Jan 2008
                • 32242

                #22
                Originally posted by skullbucket View Post
                Round pipes have less wall resistance just like a sewer pipe so there is nothing to hang up on.
                as opposed to skid plates?
                Doing it all wrong since 1966

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                • Matt Cramer
                  Superhero BangShifter
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 2268

                  #23
                  Round bends can be welded together at any arbitrary angle. Square or oval pipe, you've got to match how it's clocked.

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                  • Beagle
                    "Flounder"
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 13804

                    #24
                    get it shaped like this?



                    oh wait - that was just a dumb response, not a great idea.
                    Last edited by Beagle; July 30, 2012, 06:09 AM.
                    Flying south, with a flock of bird dogs.

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                    • MR P-BODY
                      Superhero BangShifter
                      • Apr 2012
                      • 2359

                      #25
                      At the factory we can make any shape of tubing but round works and its easy to make
                      on a series of rollers... mandrel bend tube has a mandrel pass through the tube during
                      the bend and that works much easier... you can oval a tube to a point and still maintain
                      the area of the round tube... the only reason the nascar boys do it that way is to get the
                      ground clearance at the sill(most use round sides with the flat top and bottom so that by
                      rights is a oval tube) also round is stronger than having a flat area

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                      • anotheridiot
                        Superhero BangShifter
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 1922

                        #26
                        pretty soon you are gonna have guys using their frames for exhaust like some top fuel dragsters use their tubing as vent are and not even bother with tubing anymore lol.

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                        • MR P-BODY
                          Superhero BangShifter
                          • Apr 2012
                          • 2359

                          #27
                          I have seen the frame tubing used for a fuel tank

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                          • SuperBuickGuy
                            No Life Outside BangShift.com
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 32242

                            #28
                            With how low my Corvette is, square will be the cat's pajamas. Especially since I'm not hearing anyone who's convinced me that there'd be any kind of performance loss.

                            I may even make a new muffler into the last 2 or so feet of the rectangular tube. Although, I do care a bit about apparances, so it'll go from 1x5 at the frame to 2 1/4 x 4 or 5 at the side of the car
                            Doing it all wrong since 1966

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                            • MR P-BODY
                              Superhero BangShifter
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 2359

                              #29
                              If you make it with round side walls specially in curves you wont
                              have any issues... just make sure it has great enough surface area
                              to match or be greater than the other tubing

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                              • SuperBuickGuy
                                No Life Outside BangShift.com
                                • Jan 2008
                                • 32242

                                #30
                                Originally posted by MR P-BODY View Post
                                If you make it with round side walls specially in curves you wont
                                have any issues... just make sure it has great enough surface area
                                to match or be greater than the other tubing
                                round through the cross member, angle towards the exit point just after with round, transition to square and combine a muffler in the square, then under the frame and out. I'm going to make it out of fairly heavy guage material so if it does hit a speed bump it won't crush. the other bit, where it goes under the frame, that's also the lift point for my hoist - so it'll be strong enough to handle that kind of weight at that point.... if it doesn't work, no big deal. Heck, I'll probably make most of it out of 304 stainless
                                Doing it all wrong since 1966

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