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  • Yardpilot
    Hero BangShifter
    • Jul 2011
    • 254

    #16
    Originally posted by squirrel View Post
    I would just make sure it has oil in everything that requires oil, see what the coolant situation is, and run a gas can to the fuel pump (disconnect the line from the gas tank). Put a battery on it, and fire it up. I'm assuming the engine turns freely, if it does not, then you need to do the stuff you're talking about.
    I was thinking about the advisability of flushing out thirty year old degraded oil and such. I already hooked a battery up and hit it with some ether. She turned over and fired briefly. I was wondering if the fuel system might be a bit sludged. I think I'll finish digging her out, drain and/or fill anything that will drain and/or fill, check compression and a few wires and go from there. I have a small portable fuel tank that would serve the purpose you suggest. Good idea. Just curious, but you aren't related to the squirrels that ate the insulation off the wiring on my '54 Ford, are you?
    Last edited by Yardpilot; July 15, 2012, 01:03 PM.

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    • squirrel
      Benevolent Ruler of the Universe
      • Nov 2007
      • 19334

      #17
      No, only my buddies the pack rats eat wires around here.
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      • SuperBuickGuy
        No Life Outside BangShift.com
        • Jan 2008
        • 32242

        #18
        Originally posted by Caveman Tony View Post
        Okay, all you bodywork gurus... how would ya fix that colossal cave-in of a roof?


        Methinks the plan should include a cut n paste from a pristine van/longroof...
        bottle jacks, I seriously bet that thing would come out "good enough" once it's popped back up
        Last edited by SuperBuickGuy; July 15, 2012, 06:32 PM.
        Doing it all wrong since 1966

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        • squirrel
          Benevolent Ruler of the Universe
          • Nov 2007
          • 19334

          #19
          I agree, pop it back into shape, work the creases out, then weld the braces back together. My guess is the braces were cut up or something.
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          • STINEY
            Dirt Path Taker
            • Dec 2007
            • 8613

            #20
            Originally posted by squirrel View Post
            I agree, pop it back into shape, work the creases out, then weld the braces back together. My guess is the braces were cut up or something.
            That was my thinking as well. Lots more snow than I ever see, but it still seems weird that it collapsed. Those braces were fairly tough, they must have been compromised somehow.

            Do the wheels turn? That is usually the worst for me, dragging cars out of barns with a couple (or more) of non-rotating rotators. Usually nothing more than shoe lining stuck to the drum, once loose you can't even figure out why it stuck in the first place.
            Of all the paths you take in life - make sure a few of them are dirt.

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            • Yardpilot
              Hero BangShifter
              • Jul 2011
              • 254

              #21
              A little play time today. Jacked up the back and pulled the rear wheels. Amazing how tight lug nuts get in only thirty years! Thanks go out to the inventor of PB Blaster. Friggin' ant hill under the right rear. Five leafs in the main rear spring stack. Two more underneath with the big rubber bumpers. The brake drums are completely free and just slipped off. Drums and rigging look good. Rear wheels turn easily. Yes, I'll take pictures! Dislocated right index finger hooking up a stupid sprinkler. Fixed it. Hurts a bit. Not as bad as the neighbor's ears from the language, I bet. I'll haul two 20-ton hydraulic jacks out there after it cools of a bit more this evening so I can get started on that roof. The braces appear to have rusted some and just snapped in two from the sag. I'm thinking 2x12 on the floor, 4x4 vertical frames and 2x12 on top oughta do the job. Slow and steady.

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              • Yardpilot
                Hero BangShifter
                • Jul 2011
                • 254

                #22
                Change to above. I turned the right wheel and it was free. The drive-shaft turned, so I assumed the left side was free, too. Wrong. Put a bar to the left side and could barely get it to turn with a heckuva lot of strain. The right side did not turn when the left creeped slowly a half a turn. Everything is absolutely drenched in PB. I'll have another go tomorrow. I'll try it in gear and in neutral just for the info.

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                • SuperBuickGuy
                  No Life Outside BangShift.com
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 32242

                  #23
                  if it can turn a bit, normally when you pull the car/drive the car it'll loosen itself

                  as for both sides turning, only if it's a locked-type differential - most open differentials can freewheel the driver's side without spinning the passenger side tire (why that is, I dunno, just an observation from my field rescues)
                  Doing it all wrong since 1966

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                  • Yardpilot
                    Hero BangShifter
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 254

                    #24
                    A little time for the Blaster to work and howdy! Both rear drums slip on and off now. Turn either side and the other side does not move, but the drive-shaft turns with no noise or drag from the shaft or the rear end. I believe that makes me happy. Got tires for the rear. The fronts are unbelievably holding air pressure for now. Should be able to move the old girl up to my "outdoor shop" area in the next day or two.

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                    • Yardpilot
                      Hero BangShifter
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 254

                      #25
                      Oh, fish nuts. I was working on the left front, heard a little "pop" from the right front, the ol' girl shifted to the right and dropped a bit. That old tire just delammed and shredded itself. Poopy. I'm just gonna bite the bullet and new all of them up. Can't get those front drums off. I don't think I should use the puller against the grease caps, so I'm thinking I'll pull those, put a short piece of steel rod against the end of the spindle and run the puller pilot against that. I've backed off the adjustors till they almost fell apart with no effect. PB on everything. Lots of hammer whacking. No go. I think I'll look in the old socket bucket and see if there is something that might work better than a piece of rod. I'm wearing down just from killing spiders. So far things look pretty good underneath. Naturally there is a lot of surface rust on things like the springs, frame and such, but no more than I have seen on many working vehicles. There are some body rust spots, but again most of it is surface stuff. There are a couple of small rust-through spots like the lower rear passenger side corner, but I think I can handle that. Only two bullet holes so far! Good thing she was so well-hidden in the bushes. How do you deal with rust or potentially rusty spots between the inside sheet metal and the outer body sheet metal? I don't believe my budget will allow stripping 'er down, hauling 'er a hundred miles and having the body dipped.

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                      • milner351
                        No Life Outside BangShift.com
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 16033

                        #26
                        por 15 works wonders on stopping surface rust.
                        There's always something new to learn.

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                        • Yardpilot
                          Hero BangShifter
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 254

                          #27
                          Worked fine. Front drums came off with a lot of PB and a little bit of tug with the puller, just enough to break them loose. All four drums will go to the shop to make sure they are round. The shoes look new. The bearings all look good, just gummy as hell. Repack, replace? How about seals? Flush the brakes or just fill, bleed and see what happens? Dumped a gallon of solvent and an old jug of trans fluid in the engine to soak. Flush the transmission? Rear end?

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                          • hauen
                            Superhero BangShifter
                            • May 2009
                            • 575

                            #28
                            When I got Ernie, it had been parked for 14 years, though not in muck like yours, but the problems when I got the drums off were very similar. I went ahead and replaced the seals and bearings (they're cheap), the wheel cylinders all got a good hone and rebuild kits (hopefully yours didn't absorb too much water and get really pitted), fluid flushed, and after all that I still had to replace the master cylinder, so you might as well do that while you're at it too. I was afraid to flush the engine, with all the crud on it I figured it would start spewing like old faithful if I ran anything but cheap oil through it. Changed the gear oil in everything, when it drained out it was thin and black, I imagine all of the lubricating qualities went away sometime in the late '70's. Since yours has been sitting in wet amidst the wet it's probably all...well, wet, and rusty. It's cheap insurance, and with most of the parts available through rockauto and such, inexpensive to go ahead and redo it all right the first time.

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                            • Caveman Tony
                              Superhero BangShifter
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 1544

                              #29
                              Dude, Yard... you ever seen those early VW bug sliding sunroofs?

                              If your new found van-love were going to be stored indoors or under cover of any type, that's what I'd be thinkin'...

                              Who else would have a 'vert van?

                              NOBODY, that's who!
                              Yes, I'm a CarJunkie... How many times would YOU rebuild the same engine before getting a crate motor?




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                              • Yardpilot
                                Hero BangShifter
                                • Jul 2011
                                • 254

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Caveman Tony View Post
                                Dude, Yard... you ever seen those early VW bug sliding sunroofs?

                                If your new found van-love were going to be stored indoors or under cover of any type, that's what I'd be thinkin'...

                                Who else would have a 'vert van?

                                NOBODY, that's who!
                                I like that. I have been thinking about a multiple sunroof setup, so that is kinda along the same line.

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