Carroll Shelby dead...breaking news

[dieselgeek]

fact is I have made it a point not to respond to DG's posts unless he responds to one of my posts first

That's hilarious. "I don't say anything about DG unless DG is responding to something I said about DG"


You are one screwed up dude. Carry on, you ain't the first hater/nutswinger to follow me around on the Interwebs.

[TheSilverBuick]

Post #49

Just another automotive great in recent years to leave us........Bob may be nothing to you, but for the people that knew him, he was every bit a Carrol Shelby if not more.........Put it this way if it wasn't for guys like Bob, there wouldn't be guys like DG........ He was there in the pioneer days of performance EFI working at Arizona Speed and Marine........

D/G's first post is #52

If that ain't a back handed compliment meant to start an arguement, then I don't know what it is...........

That is right you don't know any history, fact is I have made it a point not to respond to DG's posts unless he responds to one of my posts first, I've been doing this for quite awhile now....... I do this so I don't look like the guy starting crap with him...... And the fact is it does matter who posted it first.... Like in this thread, he provided nothing about Shelby and started his First Post in this thread off by calling me an Idiot and then when I respond to it, I'm the bad guy??...........

Guess you don't have to wait to respond to one of his posts! Saves time that way!

[TC]

Post #49



D/G's first post is #52

If that ain't a back handed compliment meant to start an arguement, then I don't know what it is...........




Guess you don't have to wait to respond to one of his posts! Saves time that way!

I used DG as a reference to EFI tuners, not saying anything bad about him, and before that post DG hadn't even posted in this thread...... So the question is why did he post??, why did he insult me by calling me an idiot??........ So it is OK for DG to run around the Forum here and attack people and call them names, cause I'm not the only one he's doing it to.........

Like I said he's a Troll, anyone can see that by Google'ing his name, all sorts of forums pop up and he's in pissing matches with people in all of them.......... He thrives for the debate, you can see that with what he's been doing with some of the Newer members and he knows I'll give it to him.......Basically all he is doing is trying to do me like he did Mark and get me to go off on him so Brian will ban me.........I've been onto that game for years now...............

[TheSilverBuick]

Thus the prime definition of a "back-handed" compliment.

[TC]

Thus the prime definition of a "back-handed" compliment.

There was nothing backhanded about it, I hold my Friend Bob to very high regards, for me to even mention DG's name in the same sentence as his, should so how much I acknowledge DG's accomplishments........I'm sorry if he took it as a insult or whatever he took it as....but I'm not going to let anyone talk crap about a friend of mine that JUST DIED that was building EFI systems way before any of you guys thought of doing it..........

[Deaf Bob]

Let me clarify my "history" remark
I simply meant I was not going back pages of posts and tally up
In the month or month and half that I have been on Bang Shift, i have seen 4-5 pissing matches between you two..
Found myself in two... Two too many!

I'm way too busy with my stuff, reading stuff that interests me and that kinda thing... How does one learn? By reading stuff..
There are so many projects on this site I need to read, starting on page 1... Damned if I know why I posted here the first time...
It escapes me at the moment...
I want to learn... DG offered advice... I will ask when I need it...

Now...BACK TO CARROLL SHELBY....
To compare Bob, who I am sure was a fine man, to CS....is....apples/oranges...
Shelby has what? 3 or 4 BRANDS with his name on a LINE..

BOTH will be missed... The automotive world is less for their passing....
Which one will be missed more is merely a matter of opinion... You know what they say about opinions....everybody got one!
If you were smart, you would have started a thread on him, giving him his due, not piggybacking CS....

[38P]

Top eleven ways to restore peace and harmony to bangshift

As one who has been accused of provoking arguments, perhaps I've not been consistent in applying the following, but these time-tested suggestions will work in reducing much of the rancor between [fill in the blank]


11. Avoid arguments about opinions.

Opinions are how we react to , value, and feel about things. They are not facts (although they may be based in facts or our perceptions about facts)

For example, TC's claim that EFI tuners are indebted to the work in the 1980s of his dead friend seems to be more of an opinion than a verifiable fact. Certainly the development of aftermarket EFI and tuning developed in many places and there are many who deserve credit for advancing the art. Someone tuning in the early '80s (when the prevailing majority still rejected EFI for hot rodding)was clearly a pioneer.

10. Argue from your own experience, not against someone else's.

Unless you've made direct observations of the EXACT same phenomenon/event as your opponent, then arguing against what they claim to have experienced tends to be futile. Instead, offer your own counter-experiences.

For example, much of what DG and Dieselgeek are arguing about is the other's experiences (or lack of same). It is much more persuasive (and peaceful) to use something you've done or seen as support for a position, than it is to attack what someone else claims to have done. If what someone else claims seems imposible, it's better to ask targeted questions that will show error or untruth than it is to just summarily conclude that the other's claim is false.

9. "A man's got to know his limitations."

If your opponent has more knowledge or apparent expertise than you in a particular area, it is foolhearty to challenge without first obtaining solid, objective research for your position. When you start pontificating outside of your knowledge and experience, you undoubtedly will get called on it.

For example, in the thread on Brian's "Buford," I suggested a means of repairing Ford's occassional 2V SOHC spark plug problem. But having owned DOHC modulars exclusively and not being a professional line technician, I hadn't directly experienced the 2V SOHC problem and was writing outside of my own experience. Getting called on it by those with more applicable experience was foreseeable and fair.

8. Avoid ridicule.

Although Saul Alinsky claimed that ridicule is man's most potent weapon, the truth is that ridicule is destructive and dangerous. Ridicule tends to refocus the debate from facts and logic to personalities and defensiveness.

Healthy rivalry is not ridicule. Ridicule is mocking, taunting, and deriding for the purpose of invoking contempt and scorn. If your position is sound, logic and fact should be sufficient to carry the day without ridicule.

(The exception to this, of course, is when discussing GM's "LESS" V8 . . . .)

7. Avoid hasty generalizations.

You may think your anecdotal experiences are predictive of what will happen everywhere and everytime. They probably aren't. Thus, blanket condemnations or effusive praise based on limited personal data is bound to trigger reactions from those who have contrary anecdotal experiences.

6. Attack arguments, not people or personalities.

"Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." In other words, arguments rise and fall on facts and logic, not the identity of who offers them. When people in arguments resort to attacking each other rather than the facts and logic at issue, it is almost certain that the dispute will degenerate into unnecessary rancor.

5. Avoid fighting words.

Calling someone an "idiot" or a "moron" or some other disparaging label is a sure-fire method of stirring up a tempest (and not the Pontiac kind). Such labels do nothing to advance the debate and they are not persuasive.

4. Don't write something behind a screen name that you wouldn't say to someone's face or sign with your real name.

Studies have repeatedly proven that people will write stuff on the internet that they'd never say in person. Thus, a good rule of self-limiting is to think, "would I say that to my next-door neighbor? To my best friend? To my spouse? Would I sign my real name to it? If the answer is "no," then you probably ought not to write it under an assumed name, either.

3. Don't "call out" opponents by criticizing them by name.

Names have power. Using someone's name personalizes a dispute. Criticism by name tends to cause emotional reactions and retaliation-in-kind. Thus, allowing others to "save face" by not criticizing by name -- rather sticking to the logic and facts of a dispute, and describing types of people without unfair stereotyping, instead of expressly naming them -- tends to reduce the focus on personalities and emotions.

2. Be gracious when your wrong . . . when you're right.

No one is correct 100% of the time. When your opponent points out a legitimate flaw in your facts or logic, graciously acknowledge it and MOVE ON. The most wise and persuasive people are the ones who admit their failures and learn from them. The biggest jerks tend to be those who cannot face their mistakes.

The second biggest jerks are those who lord their correctness and superiority over everyone. Instead, gently strive to help others see things the way you do. Encourage them to expand their experiences and guide them through how you've arrived at the conclusion you think is "the answer."

1. Treat others as you would like to be treated

This is an old chestnut of wisdom because it generally works. If you pick fights, don't be surprised when people fight back. If you're gracious, self-depricating and kind, most people will respond favorably.

[Deaf Bob]

THANK YOU!
I am not articulate enuff to do what you just did
Well done Speedy!

Do not let yourself be run off!
Enough of us enjoy your posts

[Barry Donovan]

RIP Mr. Shelby, you've inspired countless rodders (including me) with your ability to take the mundane and make it world class.

+1
no arguing there. it is every builder with a goal.


speaking of EFI and history..aand even turbos. I see posts of formula 1 once and awhile here at bangshift, they have more pioneering than alot don't admit. Even my 1986 subaru has the same plugs as seen in this 2 part video...probably just for getting a glimpse of them..inspiration for folks like shelby, came from what exists .The source is alot more silent than never glorified about...and even seeming impossible to be where it is at today if to know the truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbB1qwhKaaE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqfVAGOaGEc

the years..early 80s. talking of pulse width, interference, one piece apple looking computers chatting across the world....
they don't have a market. they must be pioneers setting standards because they could....almot 30 years ago.

and that is a 120v6 in the vid.

anyway.. back to my own compilation resulting from what is known to exist...

[skullbucket]

4. Don't write something behind a screen name that you wouldn't say to someone's face or sign with your real name.

Studies have repeatedly proven that people will write stuff on the internet that they'd never say in person. Thus, a good rule of self-limiting is to think, "would I say that to my next-door neighbor? To my best friend? To my spouse? Would I sign my real name to it? If the answer is "no," then you probably ought not to write it under an assumed name, either.

What I say on the internet is way calmer than what I would say to someone's face because I can't type as fast as I can cuss in person.
The internet is like being on a CB, you use handles not your real name, if for safety thats OK, I don't want to know your name or address, im not here to make a displaced new family tree.
I have noticed that people after reading 3 to 4 pages of a thread and then they start criticizing someone's spelling, grammar , punctuation ETC that they have ran out of and new comeback material and is a beatin keyboard warrior.

[Cyclone03]

I can't believe I'm going to get in this.....
TC your post in this thread about your friends passing was, IMHO, in poor taste. You should have started a new thread about his passing not tossed it in this one. One mans passing is not the same as anothers...This is Carroll Shelby's Thread on BS.Without your post we wouldn't have 2 pages of unrelated post in this thread.Please think about what your posting if it may be off topic.

[Pumpkin]

I can't believe I'm going to get in this.....
TC your post in this thread about your friends passing was, IMHO, in poor taste. You should have started a new thread about his passing not tossed it in this one. One mans passing is not the same as anothers...This is Carroll Shelby's Thread on BS.Without your post we wouldn't have 2 pages of unrelated post in this thread.Please think about what your posting if it may be off topic.

That's why I posted the below question 3 or so pages back!

And that has to do with Carroll Shelby how?

[Barry Donovan]

interesting video.

motortrend (drive channel you tube)

[Barry Donovan]

[TC]

I can't believe I'm going to get in this.....
TC your post in this thread about your friends passing was, IMHO, in poor taste. You should have started a new thread about his passing not tossed it in this one. One mans passing is not the same as anothers...This is Carroll Shelby's Thread on BS.Without your post we wouldn't have 2 pages of unrelated post in this thread.Please think about what your posting if it may be off topic.

You may be right, but it's sad that people feel one person death is more important than another's, speaking of poor taste..............

IMO Shelby is an overrated marketing ploy, sure he raced some cars and used Peterson to Promote his name and was more of a business man than mechanic. In my eyes he's a Bob to guys like Smokey Yunick, you know guys that actually worked on cars, not just drove them.........