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Re: Opinion: JC France Drug Arrest Shouldn't Be Mocked
Dewey,Chwatem & Howe were in the 3 STOOGES short films in the 1930's.
Dewey,Chwatem & Howe were in the 3 STOOGES short films in the 1930's.
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Re: Opinion: JC France Drug Arrest Shouldn't Be Mocked
My Dad and Uncle ran a rent a bay in Torrance CA in 1976. Only reason we stayed open for about a year was due to the detailing work we did for the local dealerships.
As to horsepower, we Americans remain addicted to the ability to "boil the skins" without any real interest in braking, or cornering.
You can have your 426 hp 4200 lb Challenger
For me, at about the same cost as the Challenger, a Caterham RS500. 260 hp and you won't even be able to see my tail lights shortly after the flag waves.
Howabout the new Focus RS, another car that we, unfortunately, can't get in the US. Faster than the Ford GT at the Ford proving ground.
But, we digress. Isn't this thread about a fine member of the US' royal motorsports family? Somehow I think he won't make it into the NASCAR hall of nepotism, I mean fame.Comment
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Re: Opinion: JC France Drug Arrest Shouldn't Be Mocked
I don't know, Brian...having the best yard on the block and the loudest exhaust within 3 square miles would just add to the fun in the "pissing off the neighbors" factor. ;DEditor-at-Large at...well, here, of course!
"Remy-Z, you've outdone yourself again, I thought a Mirada was the icing on the cake of rodding, but this Imperial is the spread of little 99-cent candy letters spelling out "EAT ME" on top of that cake."Comment
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Well, of course, they were.Originally posted by HEMI
But I didn't have any good self-promoting jokes about Manny, Moe & Jack . . . no wait . . .
Harpo, Zeppo and Groucho . . . um, no . . .
Peter, Paul and Mary . . . nah, still not right . . .
Mother, Jugs and Speed . . . huh-uh . . .
Harry, Curley and Barack . . . no, that's not it . . .
Larry, Curley and Moe . . . "Yeah, that's the ticket."
I don't know. Today's paper fields a question from a PRIUS OWNER (just writing that phrase kills brain cells) who is wondering if running his wimpster only on battery power for a mile and a half (after he ran it out of gasoline) would hurt it.Originally posted by Brian Lohnes
HELLO, MCFLY! IT'S A FREAKIN' ELECTRIC HYBRID! OUR LITTLE ASIAN BUDS DESIGNED IT TO RUN ON REDDY KILOWATTS!
And the other question is some granny from Texas who is afraid a 6-ft, 2-in dia. snake slithered inside her Honda Fit (OW! OW! More brain cells just slaughtered in service of Bangshifting) through the AC vents
GREAT FANGIO'S GHOST, WOMAN! YOU'RE HAULING YOUR IMPRESSIONABLE YOUNG GRANDKIDS AROUND IN AN EMBARRASSING JAPANESE TEA-CUP OF A CAR! YOU'VE GOT BIGGER PROBLEMS THAN A HOMELESS VIPER!
(Besides, what logical person could really think that a SIX-FOOT FLIPPIN' SNAKE could "serpentine" its way through the HVAC maze on a Honda, much less take up residence UNDETECTED for the WEEKS IT TAKES FOR SUCH A FOOLISH QUESTION to appear in the Click-n-Clack newspaper column?)
These people not only believe in "blinker fluid," they're knocking it back in forty-ounce "hits!"
Okay, nobody was saying you'd traveled over to the "dark side" yet . . . Of course Click and/or Clack would question the need for such a "macho" "tank." Too bad it's not fitted with a satelight radio receiver . . . .Originally posted by Brian LohnesWith respect to appliance motoring, I'm the guy that just bought a 1966 C50 Pickup truck. That's an appliance like an M1A1 Abrams tank.
Click and Clack aren't extolling the joys of a Caterham or an RS when they criticize horsepower. To them anything more than about 20 pounds per pony is profligate excess and "crazy."Originally posted by horsewidower
I'll also not agree to the premise that "we Americans remain addicted to the ability to "boil the skins" without any real interest in braking, or cornering" merely because "American muscle" tends to be heavier and more practical than some tiny European sports car.
Plenty of the "American Iron" I see flying around various road courses started out life as knuckle-dragging "skin boilers." There are scores of companies selling sway bars, shocks, massive brakes and sticky tires for V8 supercars. And some of the "pro touring" cars being built actually do something more than "power parking."
While many Bangshifters are all about the 1320, there are more than a few who thrill to whipping V8s in the twisties.
Having both small and large performance cars, I can tell you that both types are rewarding in their own ways.
As for the Ford RS vs. GT thing -- which one would most of us rather be seen in? A $35,000 "Focus" or the svelte shape of a mid-engine exotic that harkens back to Ford's domination of international sports car racing? Besides, after slapping a 1000+ h.p. turbo mill in the GT, the RS is the one that's going to be seeing taillights on anything but the most pocket-sized courses.Comment
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Re: Opinion: JC France Drug Arrest Shouldn't Be Mocked
Aw c'mon, spot me a premise. ;D
I've got steam coming out my ears and you're working with one lobe tied behind your back.
BobComment
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caterHAM ? does it come in low salt or virginia ?Comment
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another kit car - how sophisticated , can buy a Z06 and flatten that kit car with a warranty and a/cComment
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Re: Opinion: JC France Drug Arrest Shouldn't Be Mocked
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ who called the p/c police..Originally posted by Speedzzter.blogspot
shut up..
the fact of the matter and meat of this story,
is the fact that nascar, be it the company or the family that runs it.
dragged mayfield's name through the mud, and low and behold.. they are no better..
and say'n the unbringing has something to do with it.. is stupid, many a family has a "black sheep"
so that idea doesn't fly now do it..
how about placing the blame on the person that is in this mess, not the parents , parenting skills or lak there of,
and spiddy's right, if j.c. was around awesome bill, big E and others in the garage, he'd have been knocked on his @$$ if he even thought of use'n anything..
they might be big names in nascar, but back then it wasn't the pretty boy, p/c b/s that you see now..
and they'd take the time to point the kid/young man. in the right dirrection..
thats the way they were,
we, where racing at a track that RCR was testing at.. and no matter what we did to the 2nd car(mine)
it wouldn't help.. Dale came over to our garage spot, asked a few questions after we all got over the shock,
got in the car,, and drove it.. taked to his crew, and they advised us on what we should base line the car with, for a set up..
we thanked them.. and got the car in the field.. use'n their set up. and a few of RCR's shocks..
we where a no name , no sponsered team, there only for the fun of racing, the 1st car was the teams gravy, this car was the fun, last years leftover parts, that we would bring to races to see if we could get another car in the field on the way cheap..
they didn't have to help, and big E stopping by was a huge surprise..
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Re: Opinion: JC France Drug Arrest Shouldn't Be Mocked
Time to KILL this thread.Calypornya...near the beachComment
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load helmet has spoke'nOriginally posted by HEMIComment
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may the force be with you HEMMY
nerdComment
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Re: Opinion: JC France Drug Arrest Shouldn't Be Mocked
Anyone else spot the contradiction here?Originally posted by urwurznitmahre
According to urwurznitmahre, (1) Parenting ("upbringing") doesn't matter because "many a family has a 'black sheep' . . .", But (2) The ENTIRE France Family is no better than the Mr. Mayfield because of J.C.'s alleged DWI and mouthing-off to the police. If parenting really doesn't matter, how is it remotely fair to attribute the wrongdoing of a family's spawn to the family? And if the France family is "no better" , because of J.C.'s antics,than a family which produced an alleged "meth head" (Mayfield), isn't that admitting that "upbringing" IS relevant?
It's ironic that J.C. is in trouble for alleged substance abuse at the same time as the Mayfield controversy, but nothing more. J.C.'s substance abuse should not have any bearing on how NASCAR enforces its anti-drug policies. And if J.C. has violated the Grand-Am substance abuse policy, he should be parked along side Mr. Mayfield until he proves he's clean, sober and not a threat to his competitors or the motoring public.
Most certainly J.C. should bear the full responsibility for his own choices.Originally posted by urwurznitmahre
However, if we're trying to answer the "why" question, consideration of how J.C. developed his ability to regulate himself, or lack thereof, is inevitable.
The regularity of these "rich kids gone wild" stories suggests that critically reviewing the parenting styles of the rich, famous and powerful is justified. Too often, the "experts" suggest that poverty, lack of opportunity and hopelessness are primary causes of substance abuse problems. But when the rich and powerful fail with drugs (including alcohol), these socioeconomic explanations fall flat.
Answering the "why" question does not absolve J.C. of personal responsibility for his alleged crimes.
Apparently "awesome bill, big E and others in the garage" had the ability to read minds.Originally posted by urwurznitmahre
A child knowing celebrities and spending five or ten minutes a week with them (while they're otherwise engaged in the difficult job of getting prepared for an endurance race) doesn't mean these celebrities are effectively building the child's values.
Moreover, here's another contradiction: "say'n the unbringing has something to do with it.. is stupid," unless its the apocryphal and occassional guidance of "awesome bill, big E and others in the garage."
The plain and simple truth is that NASCAR racing -- as most other forms of motorsports "back in the day" -- was awash in messages promoting "legal" drugs such as alcohol and tobacco. It's kind of difficult for someone to be taken seriously about teetotaling or abstaining from tobacco when their uniforms and cars are plastered with Busch and Winston advertising.
So while it may be theoretically true that young J.C. would have gotten "knocked" around by"awesome bill, big E and others in the garage" IF he'd been openly guzzling a Mason Jar of moonshine or a forty in the garage area, it is highly unlikely that anything Bill "Coors" Elliott, Bobby "Miller" Allison, Darrell "Budweiser" Waltrip, Dale "Busch Pole Winner" Earnhardt, Mark "Stroh's" Martin or "others in the garage" might have said against substance abuse would have been heeded by most youngsters.
And it's fairly unlikely these "stars" were sending these sorts of messages. For example, back early in Dale Earnhardt, Jr.'s NASCAR career, when Junior had been knocked out of a race, he told the reporters that it was "nothing a cold Bud couldn't fix." One would assume he had the full measure of parenting from "big E" during his life.
Parents are the primary influence in the development of their children's attitudes toward drugs. And most certainly, the rules about "good" drugs, "bad" drugs, and moderation versus abstinence are hardly subject to universal agreement, even among engaged, competent and responsible parents.
But to suggest that merely being around celebrities like "awesome bill, big E and others in the garage" would be preventative of substance abuse problems in adulthood is ridiculous.
Proven association with these luminaries of NASCAR did not prevent NASCAR racer Rob Moroso from getting drunk, crashing his street car, and killing himself and another driver in 1989. And there's no reason to think that the pre-"pretty boy, p/c b/s that you see now" garage area was any more effective at surrogate parenting in J.C.'s case.
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again,,
parents can be the biggest druggies or the biggers pruds
doesn't matter..
I had great parents, and I didn't get in trouble with johnie law, but my brother did , al the time, same parents, same skills..
that is what I ment about "black sheep"
your post , and underlie'n theme, is the parents actions, cause the kids good or bad life choices,,
you can teach right and wrong till you're blue in the face, doesn't always work..
tons of families, have more than one kid, and alot of them have one kid that, no matter what you do, does as they please,, all the offspring got the same parenting, so. it can't be that, but in your world, it does..
I see this as totally wrongComment
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Re: Opinion: JC France Drug Arrest Shouldn't Be Mocked
HE'S FREAKIN 43 YEARS OLD!!!
At this point in his life he should have lived away from home (provided he's not a mommas boy) longer than he lived at home.
Blaming the parents at this point is utterly absurd.Comment
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Re: Opinion: JC France Drug Arrest Shouldn't Be Mocked
Then you completely misunderstand what I've posted.Originally posted by urwurznitmahre
Unless the parents put the bottle in the kid's hand or the lines of coke on the table (e.g. apparently what happened to Mackinzie Phillips) then the parents don't "cause" anything.
However, there are strong correlations between incompetent, lax, hypocritical, permissive, hyper-secular, and/or indifferent parenting and subsequent substance abuse. A correlation merely means that the conditions observed tend to occur together and not that one "causes" the other.
Of course, these correlations are common sense. If the parents abuse drugs in front of the kids, it's foreseeable that the kids may try drugs themselves. If the parents are hypocrites on the subject, it's foreseeable that the kids may discount what the parents say and follow what the parents do (especially if the actions are profitable, self-indulgent or self-gratifying). If the parents ignore teaching anything on drugs, it's foreseeable that the kids may learn about them elsewhere from people who have vested interests in promoting substance use. If the parents equivocate, the kids may not follow the more disciplined of the two paths.
Although J.C. is over four decades old, it is fairly unlikely he JUST started abusing substances and "giving attitude" to the authorities. Moreover, given the power and influence of the France family, it is unlikely that J.C. has been utterly uninfluenced by their private positions (whatever they may be) on substance abuse, or tolerance thereof, during the past two decades.
It's also unlikely that J.C.'s alleged substance abuse was much of a surprise. As millions of former substance abusers can tell you, family members are often some of the biggest "enablers" to substance abuse problems.
Moreover, there are plenty of other factors here. For example, we don't know whether J.C. has a higher susceptibility to addictive behavior, which would tend to make moderation, even if effectively taught, difficult to follow. We don't know whether J.C. has a history of addictive behaviors. We don't know whether J.C. has other social involvements with unsavory characters in the drug trade. We don't know whether there have been other influential persons in J.C.'s past who have misled him down the road of substance abuse, notwithstanding any parenting he received at home or by the "legends" of the garage area. We also don't have any indication as to the capacity and maturity level of J.C.'s moral reasoning, or the effects that prior drug experimentation, if any, have had on them.
In short, we don't know nearly enough to assign "causes" to J.C.'s alleged problem.
That doesn't mean that we cannot observe that: (1) J.C. is another privileged rich "kid" who hasn't handled power and privilege very well; and (2) that it's ironic that a prominent France family member is caught up in the same "net" as Mr. Mayfield.
Thus, while no one can reasonably assign "fault" to the Frances for the alleged bad acts of J.C. at this juncture, J.C.'s acts are more likely than not a window into the social and familial dynamics of J.C.'s immediate family.
Finally, the fact that sibling choose different paths, with some following the easy, self-indulgent way to ruin, and others acting responsibly doesn't "prove" quality parenting or disprove correlations. Perhaps the parents did a better job meeting the needs and communicating proper values, opinions and beliefs, to the "good son" than to the prodical. Perhaps these siblings had different experiences. Perhaps they have different capacities for learning and self-denial.
But to go to the other extreme and suggest that parenting has no effect or relevance in any circumstances merely because a few stray as adults is "absurd."Comment
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