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Re: Pre "Black Album" Metallica fans...
All I can say is thank F@#% Bob Rock is gone.
(..and it sounds like they might be playing a lot more E all the time. Thank you sweet Jesus! :P)
Are you kidding? (first I'll qualify, I was a Metallica fan since MoP)
Do you not like Bob Rock since his production skills helped them sell a hundred million albums? I am into audio production, and I thought that Justice for All would have been a better album had they run into Bob Rock instead of whomever the idiot was that recorded/engineered it. Don't hate him just because he knows how to make an album that becomes popular. I hate when people call Metallica "sellouts" just because they had a few albums sell big... they still put on a heluva live show... and play the old material too...
-scott
I couldn't care less about the album sales. That's how you create pop-music.
What top 40 charts crap is actually worth listening to anyway? Maybe GM should make the Corvette more like a Camry because they sell more! To me, Bob Rock removed the real Metallica sound from Metallica.
..and Metallica only gets airplay on LPs that were recorded on a major recoring lable. MOP and earlier was all on Music for Nations and it never ever gets played here. Vertigo lable, well, that's a different story.
MOP & Justice are awesome albums that put Metallica on the map and even credited the band with thier own genre of thrash. Those albums are real metal, and not the radio friendly stuff with synthersizers that was used in the black album. Don't get me wrong, I really like the black album in parts, but I feel it was Metallica's first step in the wrong direction.
St Anger. I liked it. It took me a while, but It's almost like they were rebelling against their recent-most recordings with the aggressive new sound.
Yes Spidey, they lost the ANGER! ;)
X's 2....who gives a crap if you sell millions of albums if the style of music that attracted your fan base has to be comprimised....I agree about the Black album, I liked it but it was the start of a death roll for the band....the nail in the coffin for me was the symphony @ Red Rock crap the turned me off....
While accurate, both your opinions are in the minority of the album-purchasing public... There's nothing wrong with that, but I am pretty sure Metallica would side with mine and not yours. Why? Because "Justice For All" didn't make them enough money to buy a Chevette. The Black Album made them enough to buy General Motors...
Different strokes for different folks (DF thinks Tommy Lee is a good drummer - haha), I actually thought the best musicianship was on the Justice album; best production was on the Black album. Combine the two - wow, that album would have KICKED ASS. Bob Rock had every intention of maximum radio airplay; he knew damned well that Radio wouldn't have anything to do with Lars doing 140bpm sixteenth note double bass... ;)
You are absolutely correct diesel that Metallica made a boat load of money off of the Black album and did not make as much money off of the previous four albums put together. With that being said lets not forget one of Metallicas mantras that they are a band for the fans and without the fans there would be no Metallica. Metallica is a band of right time, right place lets break this down wicked heavy band starts playing the strip in LA while hair band is on its way out, they release Kill em All does ok. They start to pick up a really good fan base and release Ride the Lightning get even more popular and then release one of the best heavy metal albums of all time Master of Puppets. The fan base has almost reached its pinnacle then they release And Justice for All and do a video for One and put it on MTV. I cant recall a freind of mine that didnt have Justice, and not very many of my friends had MOP. Then they released Black and everybody was a Metallica fan, and were doing videos and getting radio play. IMO did they sell out kinda, where doing what they needed to make mountains of cash yeah. When Lars starts complaining about some downloads and them not getting paid for their music thats when I kinda think things went South for Metallica.
Lets not forget that other good Metal bands that have not sought out the hit making producers and rock just hard or harder than Metallica like Slayer has stayed true to thier fan base, Pantera though broke up and can never be again one of the best hard rock bands ever to me Vulgar Display of Power is better than MOP. Just my opinion but Metallica will never be as good as vintage Metallica.
Originally posted by dieselgeek
Originally posted by JOES66FURY
Originally posted by BlackoutSteve
Originally posted by dieselgeek
Originally posted by BlackoutSteve
All I can say is thank F@#% Bob Rock is gone.
(..and it sounds like they might be playing a lot more E all the time. Thank you sweet Jesus! :P)
Do you not like Bob Rock since his production skills helped them sell a hundred million albums? I am into audio production, and I thought that Justice for All would have been a better album had they run into Bob Rock instead of whomever the idiot was that recorded/engineered it. Don't hate him just because he knows how to make an album that becomes popular. I hate when people call Metallica "sellouts" just because they had a few albums sell big... they still put on a heluva live show... and play the old material too...
-scott
What top 40 charts crap is actually worth listening to anyway? Maybe GM should make the Corvette more like a Camry because they sell more! To me, Bob Rock removed the real Metallica sound from Metallica.
..and Metallica only gets airplay on LPs that were recorded on a major recoring lable. MOP and earlier was all on Music for Nations and it never ever gets played here. Vertigo lable, well, that's a different story.
MOP & Justice are awesome albums that put Metallica on the map and even credited the band with thier own genre of thrash. Those albums are real metal, and not the radio friendly stuff with synthersizers that was used in the black album. Don't get me wrong, I really like the black album in parts, but I feel it was Metallica's first step in the wrong direction.
St Anger. I liked it. It took me a while, but It's almost like they were rebelling against their recent-most recordings with the aggressive new sound.
Yes Spidey, they lost the ANGER! ;)
X's 2....who gives a crap if you sell millions of albums if the style of music that attracted your fan base has to be comprimised....I agree about the Black album, I liked it but it was the start of a death roll for the band....the nail in the coffin for me was the symphony @ Red Rock crap the turned me off....
Different strokes for different folks (DF thinks Tommy Lee is a good drummer - haha), I actually thought the best musicianship was on the Justice album; best production was on the Black album. Combine the two - wow, that album would have KICKED ASS. Bob Rock had every intention of maximum radio airplay; he knew damned well that Radio wouldn't have anything to do with Lars doing 140bpm sixteenth note double bass... ;)
Lets not forget that other good Metal bands that have not sought out the hit making producers and rock just hard or harder than Metallica like Slayer has stayed true to thier fan base, Pantera though broke up and can never be again one of the best hard rock bands ever to me Vulgar Display of Power is better than MOP. Just my opinion but Metallica will never be as good as vintage Metallica.
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