THE PINTO Update #3 EVEN More PICs.

[SpeedZealot]

So heres the details of the real time bomb. The pictures of the car have disappeared, but here is nice peice we fabbed up for the new setup, more pictures to come in the next few days.
http://img2.putfile.com/main/1/622570376.jpg
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[SpeedZealot]

got it thanks ;D

[72_Ventura]

Here to help. Fancy work.

[5ohbrad]

Is that for a suck through turbo? What motor?

Brad

[KeithTurk]

This is going to be Bitchen.... GET DIESELGEEK INVOLVED... trust me on this...

Tell him to hook you up with Hubers....

K

[miketblsr]

TIC TOCK TIC TOCK TICK TOCK!!!!!!!!!LMAO

[miketblsr]

That box is even nicer in person. The pinto well....its a pinto how nice would you expect it to be.

[SpeedZealot]

http://img2.putfile.com/main/1/717161687.jpg

Heres a pic of the engine compartment. We should have the rest of the tubes done with mock up tonight. the wheel well clearancing was very easy thanks in part to a 20yr old leaking battery. As soon as I get a hold of the english wheel and shrinker stretcher I'll have a nice panel to go in there. The turbo outlet has to go into the fender area a bit, but doesn't interfere with the tires at all.

[SpeedZealot]

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[SpeedZealot]

Got the block back tonight, looks like .030 did the trick, he said it cleared at 20 but the ring packages are easier and cheaper for a 30. As you can see through the pic with the carb on the box, it doesn't clear the hood, so we're relocating the box to inside the fender well tomorrow to make everything work better and keep the hood as flat as possible. We also removed the roof rack and the rear window cleaner, which was slightly rotted. Up North they have salt. Down south they have pine straw, and i think it may be worse. We've also removed the grill and front bumper to make room for the sweet air dam that going to get fabricated, as soon as I can get turk off his ass and call me for a rules clarification. The bumbers stick off this thing about 1.5 miles. As you can see from the picture in the top right hand corner, yes, that is Mike....Yes... hes actually doing work....and its even productive for a change....

[terry russell]

damn cool

[SpeedZealot]

I just calculated out the frontal area of the pinto, and realized this thing is kind tiny but tall the frontal area calculates out at 20.34sqft. Which is exactly equal to the frontal area of my camaro. Totally bitchin'. Now if I can just aero up the back of the wagon we may be in business... More to come

[SpeedZealot]

Terry, i was at the machine shop tonight, and this guy told me about his friend that was so in love with the ecta that he wanted to marry it, and I asked who it was and he said terry russel. I was like no shit....small world. So I met David Kelly tonight, nice guy

[Freiburger]

I know yours is a wagon, but the ancient story about Pinto coupes is that they are actually more aero backward than forward. Not sure if that's true, but looking at them, it could be.

[SpeedZealot]

well the front is 6" narrower than the back. The nose actually looks better than the camaro once you take off the front bumper. Its just the tail that sucks, because of the shape of the rear glass, and the width and depth of the rear bumper. Can you remove the rear bumper in altered??? I've actually already had a conversation with Bob at A2 about this, he said with a good spoiler shaped like the one on the camaro, it probably won't be as bad as you think. Not great, but not terrible either, because its a wagon and not a coupe

[shaun callaway]

nice



cant wait to see finished pics.

[PYSCHOWard]

These small motor Hot Rods are becomming neater everyday, gotta suprise alot of people, with extra noise.

[10secvega]

Can i ask why you went draw through carb instead of EFI?A certain class you want to fit?Not bashing just asking.

[SpeedZealot]

class rules, no efi.... plus i hate tuning efi, and theres no one within 500miles of here who is worth a fu.. And i'm really handy with a carb. I figure I don't want to modify any of my carbs for a blow through, and can't afford to buy one, so draw through it is... I think it will work great except for cold starts

[10secvega]

class rules, no efi.... plus i hate tuning efi, and theres no one within 500miles of here who is worth a fu.. And i'm really handy with a carb. I figure I don't want to modify any of my carbs for a blow through, and can't afford to buy one, so draw through it is... I think it will work great except for cold starts


Thats cool.I picked up a 88 Turbo Coupe for $700.Sold the tranny for $200.Kept the motor,harness,and rearend.Then scrapped it for $250.So i got a whole turbo efi 2.3L for $250 ;D

[SpeedZealot]

Heres the latest pinto update. Purchased a Roll Bar from Delaware Chasis Works, and started cutting and hacking. Once again learned the cut once measure twice thing. Maybe this time it will stick... Not bad for a flux core welder if I 'don't say so myself

http://img2.putfile.com/main/1/2317264976.jpg
http://img2.putfile.com/main/1/2317264965.jpg
http://img2.putfile.com/main/1/2317264989.jpg
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[Scott Liggett]

Wanna do my Impala?

Looks great. Is it just a four pointer?

[terry russell]

Looks good

[miketblsr]

Its so nice its almost like i did it myself !!!!!!lol

[SpeedZealot]

no its six. I put a pass door bar in after I took the pic. And I have to get a tube bent for the driver side this morning. We're looking for a 175mph tech speed. I don't think it will break 120mph though, but safety first ;D

[PYSCHOWard]

Looks Good, can't be TOO safe, is that a Daytona mig ? I have a Daytona 140 and a plasma cutter, both work great.

[DanStokes]

The cage looks pretty good. Just don't turn him loose on header tubing!

I'm looking forward to seeing this thing GO. Call if you need a hand and I'll be there.

Later
Dan

[dulcich]

On the carb adaptor, beautiful workmanship, terrible design

[SpeedZealot]

care to elaborate a little bit?

[dulcich]

Well, It's looks like it is patterned on a clothes dryer vent or a home heater duct, a box with a hole in one side and a pipe stuck in and welded. The pipe isn't even flush with the inside wall in the direction of flow, much less tapered and smoothly joined to the full area of the plenum; big cross sectional area change from box to pipe, and the plenum serves as a fuel trap with the way the pipe just kind of T's off the side wall. Awful design for airflow all around and even worse for wet flow. I would toss it and start again.
-Dulcich

[Tom P]

175 in a Pinto should be exciting. I had a hatchback 72 with a 289 and had it up to 145 which is the point it starts become airborne.

[SpeedZealot]

I would like to see some of your designs so I can get an idea of what it needs to look like. I'm all for improving.

[SpeedZealot]

well we'd just like to see about 125 from it. but i want it safe to 175

[VWMMP]

I would like to see some of your designs so I can get an idea of what it needs to look like. I'm all for improving.


If you have room - I would think a tapered box with the tube at the bottom turned to the turbo inlet. You really don't want flat surfaces facing against the flow. If this makes sense.

[SpeedZealot]

i understand, but its more of a space issue. I already had to move the box into the fender, to not have to put a scoop on the hood

[VWMMP]

How about a blow through carb hat turned upside down with the plate on top? Just a thought don't take it for anything else - Like experience (i have none in this area). :) Something like this perhaps. Looks like all they did was to use a large hat with a square plate welded on to match up to the intake. Upside down and the carb would replace the manifold. Nice radius turn.

http://www.stevemorrisracingengines.com/Super-Charged-Engine.jpg

[miketblsr]

Never thought of using something like that......hmmmmmm thinks to self whats the budget look like.....????????

[DanStokes]

Budget? You guys have a budget? Now THAT'S cheating in LSR!

Dan

[VWMMP]

Never thought of using something like that......hmmmmmm thinks to self whats the budget look like.....????????


4 or 5" aluminum Elbow - Either bend it yourself or buy one. http://www.coastequipment.com/pr_tubfit.html 4" aluminum here. Have fun.

[miketblsr]

Budget? You guys have a budget? Now THAT'S cheating in LSR!

Dan


Budget, our budget is what can we get for free. Dave and I are both piss broke so we are scraping together lunch money to try and get at least one of the 2 cars going.

[DanStokes]

THAT'S a relief! I hit Mary Ellen up for money and the son of the guy who built my super head is going to give it a tune-up for cheap. Gotta get it over to him. And this guy (named Dave) I know in Raleigh area is going to go thru my donated Holley. If I had any good stuff, I'd donate it to your cause - need a 5.0 or an AOD? Maybe a 292 Chevy six core? Probably not much good for your efforts.

Good luck
Dan

[VWMMP]

It's been a week. What's new? :) No pressure - 59 days and counting to Maxton.

[SpeedZealot]

ordered pistons today. some custom cp box forged jobs with piston guided rod setup, nothing special ;D

[VWMMP]

NICE -- How is the lead time on those?

[terry russell]

It's been a week. What's new? :) No pressure - 59 days and counting to Maxton.

Mike will wire the car in route to track 4-5-08 :)

[VWMMP]

Sounds really familiar. We are re-wiring this weekend. :)

[KeithTurk]

Man... I hate the date check... Shoot... not good...

The 32 is going to be running for the Top speed challange... Drove it for about 3 minutes the other day... and but it's not got much else going for it just yet...

K

[miketblsr]

It's been a week. What's new? :) No pressure - 59 days and counting to Maxton.

Mike will wire the car in route to track 4-5-08 :)



I dont do wiring!!!!!! Besides the only wiring needed is the fuel pump everything else is going to be stock!!!!!!

[VWMMP]

I am re-doing the computer. Might pull the dash and replace with a fabbed one. We shall how it goes.

[VWMMP]

How are you coming along? Updates? I hate wiring, and odd size radiator connections!

[SpeedZealot]

nothing. No budget, no time. not looking good.

[terry russell]

that sucks

[VWMMP]

Ouch! What parts do you still need?

[SpeedZealot]

An endless list.....

Waiting on the pistons right now. They're coming in at a price of $600. only the best. I refuse to build a motor with junk in it anymore, it just cost more in the long run. So It may not make it till the may race, but i still think we can rap up the points with a 400pt deficit off the start. This is america, we thrive on deficits, lol.

[miketblsr]

crap

[miketblsr]

An endless list.....

Waiting on the pistons right now. They're coming in at a price of $600.



:'( :'( :'( :'( to my walletLOL

RIP

mike

[DanStokes]

Not sure if that helps me get the points or not. I may have frittered away my unrun classes last year - just didn't know no better. Ignorance can be an awful thing. I'd rather see both of us going for it!

Dan

[miketblsr]

Not sure if that helps me get the points or not. I may have frittered away my unrun classes last year - just didn't know no better. Ignorance can be an awful thing. I'd rather see both of us going for it!

Dan


The pinto will be on the track somtime this year. Unfortunatly unless dave and I sell some body parts it is just impossible to come up with the money to finish it. The pistons were 300.00 more then we expected so that killed the money to get all the BS gaskets and stuff.

The way its looking the Camaro might not even roll out of my garage. >:(

[DanStokes]

All BS aside, guys - BEST OF LUCK! No one works harder to go down the track than you do, and you've had some great success. I really look forward to seeing you both at the track, and I hope that's with a car. Seriously, if I can help, Dave's got me on speed dial - I'll be there if I can. I have time and inclination. The only thing I don't have is fundage.

Later
Dan

[seanm]

Anything new going on with this?

[miketblsr]

Block is in the Garage, mains need to be line honed. Rods are at the machine shop getting resized to sbc wrist pins that are in the custom CP pistons. Other then that its on hold for a couple months. Trying to do the responsible thing and pay off my credit card before I jump into this project. It might make it out to the last maxton meet if Im lucky. Otherwise it will definatly be out for the next april meet.

mike