States may gain power over emission standards?

[Caveman]

Go ahead, cuss N discuss...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090126/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_greenhouse_gases

[SuperBuickGuy]

Re: States may gain power over emission standards?

Will bankrupt America because the word "United" in US will be meaningless. Hopefully wiser heads will stop this one short - but I'm not holding my breath.... although, I certainly would love to see China have to meet our environmental standards if they wish to import to us.

[dieselgeek]

Re: States may gain power over emission standards?

no automaker can afford to please guys on both coasts. Toyota, Ford, or Fiat.

[squirrel]

Re: States may gain power over emission standards?

Another case of reporter not having a clue....although they call it "emissions standards", what they're talking about is "mileage standards".

CA and some other states want to require higher fleet mileage than current federal law requires.

[dand38s]

Re: States may gain power over emission standards?

Let CA. set their own standards. Maybe we will get lucky and have the car makers tell them to walk.

[horsewidower]

Re: States may gain power over emission standards?

They also want to set "greenhouse gas standards."

I figure the manufacturers will have to sue to stop it.

[Caveman]

Re: States may gain power over emission standards?

Yes, bend over... twice.

" ....President Barack Obama is poised to let California and other states set their own auto emission standards in their drive to slash greenhouse gases,

Plunging into his first full week at president, Obama is expected to reveal the auto-emissions policy Monday

Obama is also expected to direct the Transportation Department to get moving on rules for automakers to improve fuel economy. A 2007 law requires that by 2020 new cars and trucks meet 35 miles per gallon, a 40 percent increase over current standards. "

[ss427]

Re: States may gain power over emission standards?

Clinton said, The people want clean air(milage)? Let them pay for it! Say what you will, aside from needing less frequent tune-ups, the milage improvements we've gained since the sixties, are mainly from an extra gear,(overdrive).
So, I ask, what do you think all this is going to cost? How many billion to bail who out? And that's only the beginning.

[squirrel]

Re: States may gain power over emission standards?

There are already cars that get way better mileage than the fleet average...it's just that they're small, light, underpowered, and inexpensive. Oh...and unprofitable to make and sell.

This is another fact that clueless reporters haven't figured out.

[Falcon67]

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Not a smart idea. I'm all for efficiency, but this is going to end badly IMHO. So your car is find in State X, now you move to State Y to get a job and hey your car is no good here. Already bad enough that areas surrounding non attainment areas have to put up with more intense testing, yet the next county over it's test the gas cap and see you next year.

" WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Fourteen states will be able to mandate greater auto fuel efficiency than the federal government requires under a plan that President Obama will announce on Monday, a senior administration official said.
California and 13 other states would be permitted to set their emission standards under President Obama's plan.

California and 13 other states would be permitted to set their emission standards under President Obama's plan.

Obama will do so by directing the Environmental Protection Agency to grant a waiver for the states to allow them to set their own standards for emissions, the official said.

The waiver was denied under former President George W. Bush.

Automakers agreed with Bush and vehemently opposed the waivers, saying creating another set of rules regarding pollution standards for some states would be confusing and unenforceable.

Besides the EPA waivers, Obama also will call for automakers to increase their fuel efficiency standards nationwide, the official said.

The president also will direct the federal government to make its buildings more energy efficient and to find new ways for federal agencies"

[badlanguage]

Re: States may gain power over emission standards?

Not the right time for this legislation. Or to even consider this legislation. I mean, last time I checked, the Big Three were begging for money from the Government - and now the message the Gov't. sends is "Oh yeah, and you're also going to have to spend money making sure 14 states' individual demands are met"? I think that a lot of the new "standards" will be met with different computer tunes for each vehicle, but who knows? If they are forced to create new tooling or to get a manufacturer to make new tooling, that means money they don't have at this moment. I'm not necessarily a fan of any of the bailouts, but I'm shocked (and not surprised) that after writing un-regulated multi-billion dollar checks to financial institutions to not loan money to people the Gov't. is basically telling the Big Three, the employers of so many hard working Americans, to basically go screw themselves.

Apologies for the rant! I just think the Gov't. is currently doing a lot of things wrong in this area, and it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

[squirrel]

Re: States may gain power over emission standards?

They are NOT talking about different exhaust emissions standards for different states, they are talking only about GREENHOUSE GAS emissions...which means gas mileage.

No different tests. Just different numbers of larger cars.

And the other 13 states seem to be all wanting to be just like California, so it's really only two different standards.

[badlanguage]

Re: States may gain power over emission standards?

They are NOT talking about different exhaust emissions standards for different states, they are talking only about GREENHOUSE GAS emissions...which means gas mileage.

No different tests. Just different numbers of larger cars.

And the other 13 states seem to be all wanting to be just like California, so it's really only two different standards.

Perhaps, but regardless of whether it's selling smaller cars or more development to increase efficiency on the larger ones, the auto companies will lose money on it. The loss may happen after the economy has recovered, but the message they are being sent is what bothers me, specifically the timing of such a message.

[BOWTIE6872]

Re: States may gain power over emission standards?

They are NOT talking about different exhaust emissions standards for different states, they are talking only about GREENHOUSE GAS emissions...which means gas mileage.

No different tests. Just different numbers of larger cars.

And the other 13 states seem to be all wanting to be just like California, so it's really only two different standards.

really..
they already have it...
cali emissions
new england eimissions
etc
now that on a car would be greenhouse emissions..
ah, thats right .. the tail pipe...
better idea. would be getting all states to test all cars/trucks that are up to 15 years old..
that , would do more good than 14 states, that buy the way, have stricter emission standards than all the others now..
and the 15y/o or newer would only affect daily drivers..(mostly)

[milner351]

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We really need to go in the opposite direction - we need to get away from the "green state" regulations to ONE set of regs for all of the US, even better if we could get the Europeans to agree to the same emissions and crash standards - then we could sell the same stuff on both sides of the big pond - now THAT would be efficient!