NASCAR Bodied Cars In Land Speed Racing

[MAXX2]

[b]Since the First Amendment is still in play in this "Great Country Of Ours", we'll start this subject/thread.

Chime in all 'YOU' want on the subject, and this keeps it completely seperate from the other threads.

Go for it.

Classes for these "Unique Cars" are already part of those existing and available at Maxton, Loring, The Texas Mile, USFRA, SORC, definitely the other LSR Mile Shootouts, and if the new venue by MKM goes forward, they welcome anything with wheels.

If those who determine a new class will at least accept the idea, then we will submit the info for a new class, but as indicated by those "Gang Of A Few", they have already stated over the past few years that they "Will Not" create the class.

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[jasper 2]

How many nascar classes will be needed for all the different configuations ? IE: Nationwide, sprint cup,cot, pre cot, trucks, displacement, blown classess, fuel classess and on, and on......................

[TL222]

What about a classic NASCAR class? I bet those cars are much cheaper than the new ones.

[jasper 2]

What about a classic NASCAR class? I bet those cars are much cheaper than the new ones.

Couldn't mine already be a "classic nascar" ;D

[dwarner230]

What about the previously released set of rules for the potential class. Please post 'em.

DW

[dieselgeek]

nascar-only class for SCTA? Sounds dumb to me. What's next, classes for driver sex preference?

[MAXX2]

Great NASCAR/LSR thread Maxx2

Now the Nascar/LSR teams can get your peoples input and ideas on an official Nascar bodied class in the SCTA. Its great to see you all working together like a LSR family should helping one another in professional way. With the right officials with enough push it can happen and its good for the sport of LSR as there are lots of intrest from others to run in an official Nascar bodied class


Don't honestly feel these cars will run at The Salt in anything but Time Only, but that's just fine with those who own these unique cars.

The 'BAD BIRD' ran in different classes at Maxton and The Texas Mile by it's previous owner, so that's how the car will be entered at those and other Land Speed Racing Events on paved venues.

We started this thread for those who enjoy discussing something of substance, that way, it doesn't get another subject/thread "OFF TOPIC".

If you're just going to "Bash", then go back to your great LandSpeedRacing.com site/The House Of Cards, as you're just acting like a "A Bunch Of 5 Year Old Spoiled Rotten Kids Crying For Their Mommy", and 'YOU' know who 'YOU' are, don't 'YOU'?????????????

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[studemax]

Take a flying leap, Maxx.

[dieselgeek]

I give you props for clearly displaying the mental capabilities of the average NASCAR fan. Now, please go away?

[MAXX2]

Go start your own "HOW I LOVE TO BASH NASCAR BODIED CARS IN LAND SPEED RACING" thread. Leave this one to those of us who enjoy these unique cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

BYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[dieselgeek]

nascar cars are unique? if it weren't for the paintjob, you wouldn't be able to tell them apart?

[TL222]

You keep sighting the constitution with freedom of speech, well isn't this a case of freedom of speech? Some people just have a differing opinion about the subject. You started the thread, did you honestly think that everyone was going to agree with you on the subject? Stop calling people out like you do and maybe you won't get some much negative feedback. ::)

[dieselgeek]

I think the lack of understanding by some "None LSR racers" and LSR racers brings forth negative attacks. I know a lot are worried of big sponsored Nascar teams bringing forth new intrest in the class its stupid on there part.


Unless I missed something, you don't participate in landracing - so - how would you be able to back any of your claims up? Have you been to Bonneville even as a spectator yet? I think most people on the LSR forums wanted you guys banned because you are somewhat annoying with your bold claims (and errors), your grammar is like that of a young child (how much more polite can I be) and you blind love of all things NASCAR is very very annoying.

[TL222]

Why would any LSR racer be worried if NASCAR came to the salt? Why would they even want to, there is no money and barely any advertising in it. In reality it would be a waste of their time. And what lack of understanding are you refering to?

[dieselgeek]

Why would any LSR racer be worried if NASCAR came to the salt? Why would they even want to, there is no money and barely any advertising in it. In reality it would be a waste of their time. And what lack of understanding are you refering to?


there's no money in it; there's no TV exposure; that's why they call it "grassroots racing"

maybe these guys feel they'll be heroes if they convince the SCTA to open up a "NASCAR" class (yawn)? problem is, there'd already be one if it was a good idea.

Maybe you guys would have better luck trying to convince the NHRA to have a "NASCAR" class at their drag races. Or maybe a "NASCAR" class at the Winter Olympics? They could run them off the ski jump!

[dieselgeek]

The Nascar/LSR I am into real deep and pushing towards an official lsr class for Bonneville


You race NASCARs in LSR already? which car?

[jasper 2]

Here's an idea, how 'bout all of the nascar teams or old nascar car owners that want to run B'ville pay BLM to rent Bonneville and start their own sanctioned event. They could call it NASCARBVLSRA (Nascar Bonneville Land Speed Racing Association)

[dieselgeek]

Let me paint a big picture for you for one you don't understand the Nascar/LSR effort. Your blind towards it there is big intrest in it by Nascar bodied teams.

hint: fingerpainting does not a Picasso make!

If there was an interest, there'd be more than 1 car every 3-4 years with a NASCAR body running there. THere'd be more than 3 people, who can barely write a coherent sentence, asking for it on the internet. There's no big picture - there's just no interest, and you're not anyone's hero.



Once its official you will see a lot of teams heavy funded to the independent teams.


I don't even understand what that sentence means. What is "teams heavy funded to the indepentent teams" - half of your sentences don't even make sense.



Nascar teams have a big sponsorship backing in my opinion it will be a big hit for the low budget LSR racers


Nascar teams have big sponsorship because there are tens of thousands of PEOPLE who purchase products, attending each race; there are hundreds of thousands of people WATCHING TELEVISION that see those cars, and their sponsor logos/decals, and THAT is why there are big sponsorship dollars available to them. Here's a hint: there are no major networks covering Bonneville. There will be no "big sponsors" because the big sponsors are interested in MAKING MONEY - NOT RACING - and you don't make money by paying someone a million dollars a year to go out in the middle of nowhere and race in front of 250 people who are not likely to purchase a lot of Skoal, Viagra, or Tampons.



it will open the door to new sponsors that are new to Salt Flat racing. I know you are afraid of the impact it will bring but its coming and there is nothing you can do to stop it. You need to respect the efforts put forward in this effort and try to understand more of the Nascar bodied cars and the teams wanting run for an official record at Bonneville


We're not afraid. We're educated. There's no NASCAR teams on the salt, or in the desert, or at my local eigth mile dragstrip, because there are no TV cameras, definitely not 100,000 people watching. That's how "advertising" works, and "sponsorship" - now, stop being dumb and thank me for teaching you the very basics of sponsorship in racing.

[TL222]

Jim, you are correct in saying that I am blind when it comes to knowing the interest of NASCAR owner/teams in Bonneville. I do not know anyone in that arena. But don't give me your B.S about me being affraid of any impact that they might have, there is no money involved and no advertising, they would be losing money if they brought a team to the salt. It would only be bragging rights between the teams, and I do have respect for those who race in their own venue.

As far as you getting to Bonneville this year? It is only your word that you made it to Bonneville, you have no pictures, you didn't talk with DW like you said you would, you have no story to tell of your experience there. Common at least you could do is make up a story. ;D

[MAXX2]

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[Shawn Anderson]

If you're just going to "Bash", then go back to your great LandSpeedRacing.com site/The House Of Cards, as you're just acting like a "A Bunch Of 5 Year Old Spoiled Rotten Kids Crying For Their Mommy", and 'YOU' know who 'YOU' are, don't 'YOU'

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There are circle track classes at Maxton, these cars can race there. But pro level NASCAR teams at B-ville? Why? I will also say that I have not been to any LSR events

[MAXX2]

It amazes me that you would say, and I quote-------------------------------

"There are circle track classes at Maxton, these cars can race there. But pro level NASCAR teams at B-ville? Why? I will also say that I have not been to any LSR events".

What have you been smoking?????????????????

All of the paved Land Speed Racing Venues, and USFRA at Bonneville have classes for these cars.

We've not only attended several Bonneville and El Mirage meets, but ran our '69 El Camino at each of these events.

As stated, this thread was started for those who enjoy discussing Nascar Bodied Cars In Land Speed Racing.

If you want to reply in a respectful and intelligent manner, than that's great.

If you want to go along with the "BASHERS', then start that thread/subject, and "BASH" all you want.

We were asked to not get off subject related to this on other Forum Topics on this site, and we respected that by starting this new thread.


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[jasper 2]

Jim and Maxx, how about some real feed back from you guys on 3 relevant post already made. One by DW about some ideas he gave to Maxx and two post by me about classes and a possible sanctioned event. Granted, my post did have a little sarcasm in them but they are legitimate questions/ideas to your quest.

[TL222]

Respond to Jaspers questions and if you can't then why even bring this thread up? Speaking of opions you what they say..... If you want to get respectful responses you and the author should do the same. This is a forum, things sometimes get out of hand and if you as an author cannot handle it then don't post. BA, most of these people posting do race at Bville so your point it mute. ;D

[std]

I'm sure NASCAR bodied cars can run LSR, so why do they need a specific class?

[dwarner230]

"... its coming and there is nothing you can do to stop it." - BA57 or Gavin Brown?

Maxx2,

You claim you have run at El Mirage and Bonneville. You negelated to tell us that all your entries have been in Time Only, anyone can do that. There is no NASCAR class at any USFRA meet, just Time Only for your cars.

Where have all the class suggestions gone?

DW

[TL222]

This was a hot topic a few hours ago. I would love to see those proposed rule suggestions too. It's crickets on this thread now, common Maxx, let us know what they were. Help us understand what your up against. ::)

[horsewidower]

[b]

Classes for these "Unique Cars" are already part of those existing and available at Maxton, Loring, The Texas Mile, USFRA, SORC, definitely the other LSR Mile Shootouts, and if the new venue by MKM goes forward, they welcome anything with wheels.

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So the only issue is that you want to be recognized as a separate class by SCTA?

As a former professional lobbyist, whose job was to make changes in regulations, laws etc. your current method of pissing on their shoes isn't going to get you what you want.

Perhaps instead of starting every response with some type of prickish statement that turns everyone off as to your intention, you might want to work with the sanctioning body on how to create a new class. After all ITS THEIR SANDBOX. Every club run sanctioning body I know of has a set method of creating rules and, by extension, classes. Insulting the rule makers and refusing to respond to their inquires will most certainly result in you failing to achieve what you seek. Mr. Warner has asked you twice to respond to the prospective rule set. Yet we still haven't seen the rule set or your response. If you are serious about what you wish to achieve, then please respond. If you don't think the rule set is reasonable and appropriate, what better forum do you have to state that with specific reasons and revisions?

I don't know you from Adam's off ox, but I know that you have men working with you of quality. If you choose to continue to respond with invective, and innuendo, and refuse to constructively engage in a dialog about rules for the SCTA, then you are getting what you deserve. Run with the sanctioning bodies that recognize your class and be happy with running for time only with the SCTA.

A word about the whole "NASCAR, Technology" thing. I went to the salt this year for the first time. I'm in awe of the engineering, technology, innovation and shear inventiveness of the participants. I'm hooked after one visit. I'll sleep in the back of my car next year, if I have to, in order to attend. It is, at the least, misinformed to believe that NASCAR has any corner on the technology of racing, and, at the most, insulting. Perhaps that's why you cause folks that participate to bristle at your statements. This is, however, your thread so carry on. Just please refrain from extending it to other threads.

I hope you are successful in working through the process to create an SCTA class. But your methods will most definitely have to change to accomplish the task.

Bob Holmes

[TL222]

Now this is a good response. Now Maxx, is this the same suggestions that Dan sent to you? DW?

[MAXX2]

Now this is a good response. Now Maxx, is this the same suggestions that Dan sent to you? DW?


That's why this thread was started in the first place. This is what we want to see related to a Nascar Bodied Class designation for The Salt. BA57tbird has put together the ideas for you to see on this site, and those ideas will go forward, or not go forward???

If the SCTA/BNI decides to not go forward with that class, then the Time Only designation is just fine with us.

I personally would not know how to put the class together, but others will have that knowledge to do so.

Judy and I purchased the car as a 'Roller' from the former owner (BOB), who by the way, is associated with the Jesel Team, and ran approx. 225+/- at The Salt in August. He is an engineer with Roehrig Engineering in Lexington, NC, who specialize in Suspension Testing Equipment for Nascar and other race car organizations. Bob purchased the car, then converted it to Land Speed Racing, and ran it at Maxton and The Texas Mile, where it ran 213+/- on multiple runs.

We rely totally on Daryl White, Owner of Revolutionary Performance and Machine in Mt. Juliet, TN as to any decisions on the 'BAD BIRD' project. He is the Team Manager/Engine Builder-Machinist/Primary Driver. I will drive the car only after Daryl (aka REV) has completed a 'Strenuous' schedule of testing at high speeds. I have no intention of going over 200.01 myself, and could care less about a Red Hat. Daryl's initial goal is to set the speed mark (Note this does not say "RECORD") for a Nascar Bodied Car, then go from that point forward.

That's the best I can personally decribe what the project is all about.

Hopefully, a class will be established for these Unique Cars. And yes, this is on a budget, not an unlimited amount of $$$$s thrown at the car.

Hopefully, the "Bashing" will stop from this day forward. If not, ?????????????


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[White Monster]

I have been following this particular thread with interest.
With respect to the NASCAR Car Class requirements put forth by BA57, I would like to make the following comments.

1. It appears that you are just sitting around waiting for the SCTA to do all the hard, grunt work, just because someone said that they should have a NASCAR Class. I believe there are set guidelines, policies and procedures in place for teams to submit changes and / or new classes. Why are you not performing these procedures in the perscribed manner ?

2. Not sure where the numbering scheme you used comes from, but if you are attempting to submitt them to the SCTA for approval, why are you not using their numbering scheme from the 2009 Rules and Records Book, in order to conform to their standard ?

3. A lot of the suggestions made, have nothing to do with Vehicle Class, but are actually Technical Specifications and Requirements (Section 3, page 23), that all vehicles must conform to, regardless of what Class they run in. No exceptions.

I hope no one takes these comments as criticism, but rather as possible thoughts to move forward with, in your objective of gaining approval of the desired Class by the sanctioning body.

[MAXX2]

YOUR QUOTE----------------------

"I hope no one takes these comments as criticism, but rather as possible thoughts to move forward with, in your objective of gaining approval of the desired Class by the sanctioning body."

We nor BA57 would take your comments as criticism. Honestly, the chance(s) of the SCTA/BNI adding a class for Nascar Bodied Cars is 'Slim to None', and the same members on this site who are the same members on the other site (You Guessed It???) have made that perfectly clear, and that's fine with Judy, Myself, and 'REV'.

If those members come forward and post on this site that there is a 50-50 chance they will actually and honestly consider a class, then we, and the others who own Nascar Bodied Cars and have or will run them at The Salt will assist in that proposal, then present it to the SCTA/BNI.

Ron Main told us in 2007 that there was "No Chance In Hell That The SCTA/BNI Would Ever Even Consider A Class For These Cars, As They Hate Them". That is a direct quote from Ron, as we knew him for several years as membes of the Sidewinders, and talked in great length about this and other subjects over the past few years. We respect Ron's advice, so we never really pursued anything, as running "Time Only" is fine with us.

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P.S. Can we get the 'Waving Cheers Beer Mugs' icons added to this site???

[White Monster]

P.S. Can we get the 'Waving Cheers Beer Mugs' icons added to this site???


Hmmmm ..... interesting set of priorities.
Anyhow, I doubt it because the forum application package comes with what we have.
To add additional functionality, there are associated unjustifiable costs that we really can't afford (and don't need).

You can always insert most images on the internet, by using the opening and closing image code brackets, like this ....
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Also, if you are going to quote another member's comments,
it is a nice courtesy to use the "Quote" button at the right side of the screen, at their post.
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[MAXX2]

P.S. Can we get the 'Waving Cheers Beer Mugs' icons added to this site???


Hmmmm ..... interesting set of priorities.
Anyhow, I doubt it because the forum application package comes with what we have.
To add additional functionality, there are associated unjustifiable costs that we really can't afford (and don't need).

You can always insert most images on the internet, by using the opening and closing image code brackets, like this ....
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Also, if you are going to quote another member's comments,
it is a nice courtesy to use the "Quote" button at the right side of the screen, at their post.
;)



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[A/Fuel]

i know someone that is trying to start a new class in the IHRA. he is getting sponsors, writing rules, and getting ideas from fellow racers. he's also testing and making parts. it seems like a lot of work.

[dwarner230]

Last night I looked for the original list of proposed rules. I must have dumped them for lack of interest from the 10-12 parties that signed the petition to establish the class.

The cut/paste list of rules (from NASCAR?) can be pared down by removing all items that correspond to the SCTA rulebook. With the potential of speeds in excess of 225 MPH all safety items for that speed from SCTA will need to be met.

How do you see that the policing of the year breaks is handled? I can tell you that the SCTA will NOT purchase templates to ensure that bodies from 1948 to present are legal for the year class entered. I have been told by a reliable NASCAR crew chief(I too have contacts) that a decent fabricator could chop a top, lay down the the front and rear windows in 4 hours to the extent that you could not tell that the top was moved.

I had made the suggestion years ago that the interested parties approach the USFRA and create their own event within the confines of the World of Speed. No interested takers on that one either.

Give your list another shot and be sure to submit through the proper channels. Use original thinking not just simple cut/paste from another source. Take into consideration the existing rules of any organization you are approaching for the addition of a new class of competition.

Next year, 2010, is a year that we look at class changes. This happens in even numbered years to be included in the next odd numbered year and following rulebooks.

DW

[TL222]

An altered is a stock bodied car with a 2% stretch from the cowl forward, engine set back, engine swap ect... No chopped top, no belly pan. How stock is a NASCAR body? Jim I thought you had a rule book?

[MAXX2]

We just emailed the former owner (Bob), to see what classes the 'Bad Bird' ran in at Maxton and The Texas Mile. The car is at Daryl's shop in TN., and the class designation numbers are on the side of the car, and we're here in Northern Nevada. However, it's quite possible the class a Nascar Bodied Car would run at The Salt would be quite different from these other organizations.

Believe they were some type of C/Gas classes, and TL222 may be correct that they were altered classes. That's absolutely 100 percent fine with us, and yes, no 'Record" would/could be set by the car, unless the speed(s) were below what Daryl is attempting to run.

TL222, your posts are very informative, and Non-Bashing, and that's what this thread/subject is all about.

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[min301]

TL222, your posts are very informative, and Non-Bashing, and that's what this thread/subject is all about.



That's right, and this site is all about non bashing...

[horsewidower]

I always find that knowing the existing rules and regulations is key to success. You may already have this information but rule changes are discussed here:

http://www.scta-bni.org/Rulebook/Rulebook-Intro.html

I haven't found the rules yet that specifically deal with new classes.

Bob

[revolutionary]

Ok so now that most of the bickering is gone, maybe we can move forward. As was mentioned, the first step is for those interested to form some sort of class or class system to be proposed.

Obviously, the first thing is that all SCTA safety requirements for speeds attained or attempted must be met. That should be a non-issue.

Second, I would suggest that since there are so many body types/models used throughout the years and that there are so many ways to alter the bodies without templates, that there be just very basic rules such as a min/max wheel base, minimum overall height/width or something based on that. Since the bodies don't otherwise conform to any other classes in the SCTA book, this could also encompass other 'homebuilt" bodies that do not otherwise fit into other classes and that are based on production bodies but wouldn't qualify based on the use/non-use of OEM body components. I think for safety and consistency, the SCTA rear wing/spoiler design should be used.

All normal SCTA engine categories coiuld be represented with the addition of perhaps a 'true 358' engine category for those running with a 358cid, single 4150 carb engine with a cast manifold.

I don't see having a weight requirement as relevant since just about everyone would want to run heavy anyhow.

I also don't see using a 9.5/10 inch wheel requirement as that could prove to be unsafe on the salt.

The basic outline above could be modified to fit as either a "NASCAR-based" class where the vehicle must resemble a circle track car of some year OR it could be used to create a 'no-car' based class where all cars that resemble an original car (like NASCAR bodies, kit cars like a fake Testarossa, Noble, etc) but don't conform to the minimum standards listed in CC, ALT or GC are met.

These are just ideas and if nothing comes of it but a continuation of running for TO, then that is fine. It would be nice however to get more people into the fold of land speed racing and I believe that with the availability of cheap, safe rolling chassis that the guys in North Carolina keep spitting out, it would be a good way to grow this sport.

Land Speed Racing, in my eyes, is one of the last 'pure' sports, ranking up there with rock climbing and back country skiing. Nobody but you and your peers appreciates the effort and results of your work. Sponsorship is generally offered as a helping hand and with very little or nothing expected in return other than the knowledge that you were a part of something that someone did sometime that was pretty cool.

[dwarner230]

I believe that a "true" NASCAR class should reflect the cars "as raced". The addition of a belly pan, wheel changes, etc. should not be allowed.

BA57, read your 2009 rulebook, page 66, section 5.D.2 and compare those qualifications against a typical NASCAR body and see if the two are compatable.

DW

[TL222]

Is a NASCAR body a stock body?

[revolutionary]

I'm not sure what the year breaks were but I thought that there were three basic body eras. The 'vintage' stuff that actuall used factory bodies (48-mid 80's?), the 'classic' era where they just had to use the factory roof panel and deck lid, and the 'modern' era where anything pretty much goes. Someone with more info than I have and a collection of old nascar rule books needs to look that up.

As I read the SCTA rules, the COT could compete as a streamliner as there are no factory body panels used. 5.A. "Modified production bodies are forbidden" The 'vintage' era cars could probably compete in CC or ALT depending on what year range the car was. The 70's-80's cars that still used factory metal could probably qualify there. That really leaves the big gap in the 80's - COT which is of course where most of the available chassis would fit in.

[horsewidower]

Why would you limit weight?

[HEMI]

I am a member at landracing.com.,but I don't wear the tinfoil hats and drink the koolaid that they do.
Hell,Ive been going to Bonneville before most of the members on there were born.
What's wrong with a NA$CAR body?Let'em run time only till some rules are laid down.
Why the controversy?House of cards?Nope just the right crowd and no crowding.

[TL222]

I am a member at landracing.com.,but I don't wear the tinfoil hats and drink the koolaid that they do.
Hell,Ive been going to Bonneville before most of the members on there were born.
What's wrong with a NA$CAR body?Let'em run time only till some rules are laid down.
Why the controversy?House of cards?Nope just the right crowd and no crowding.


great to see an old timer around, when was your first year?

[HEMI]

Don't give me that "old timer"shit.Been going since the 1960'S.
If it doesn't fit in a class,run for time only and get the thrill,screw
anything else.

[MAXX2]

Don't give me that "old timer"shit.Been going since the 1960'S.
If it doesn't fit in a class,run for time only and get the thrill,screw
anything else.


Just Love It!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for injecting some humor into this subject, it needs it. And, if a few of the others would read our post(s), Time Only is just fine with us, until such time as the "POWERS TO BE" decide or don't decide, or.................................you get the idea???

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[TL222]

Don't give me that "old timer"shit.Been going since the 1960'S.
If it doesn't fit in a class,run for time only and get the thrill,screw
anything else.


Yeah, this is a good comeback. ;D ;D Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers, more of a cudos to you for being out at the salt for so long. Hope you put on lots of sun screen because you know what that sun can do to ya. ;) Have you been out there helping a car, an owner maybe or just for the pure pleasure of hearing some great sounding machines? I may have run into you on the salt, maybe even called you an old timer to your face while sharing a beverage, all in good fun though. ;D Ooops left turn Clide, back to the thread. :D

[TL222]

Shouldn't your maximums be minimums? These teams may find out that they need to add weight to be competitive. ;D

[MAXX2]

Shouldn't your maximums be minimums? These teams may find out that they need to add weight to be competitive. ;D


TL222;

You're correct, if the teams are going for the 300 MPH Barrier. In a stock (???) configuration, someone will have to find out if any Team/Person that currently claims a 'Top Speed Mark' (Not A Record) in a Nascar Bodied Car, it would be interesting if they added weight to the car(s).

"IF" classes are created, one would assume that weight would not be a issue, as LSR cars now run added weight to stop 'Lift'.

As Honestly stated, Judy and I are not experts, so we have to rely on others to attempt to put these classes together per the SCTA/BNI Rules.

MAXX
MAXX2RACING
http://maxx2racing.com/
http://maxx2racing.info/
http://maxx2racing.org/

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[dwarner230]

The point is, someone in the interested group will have to spearhead the rules and presentation.

Do not rely on the SCTA taking the lead.

DW

[TL222]

Not to rain on any NASCAR parade but I highly doubt that they can make enough HP to go 300 with an unblown small block. :o

[Dynoroom]

Not to rain on any NASCAR parade but I highly dought that they can make enough HP to go 300 with an unblown small block. :o


TL222, are you sure? Those guys go 245 mph already. How hard could it be to go 55 mph faster?

It would be great to see a Nascar go 300 in a time only class to show...... well.... I guess not much because it can't compair to anything else that's already been done. The first production bodied car ran 300 in 1999, the fastest stock bodied car has run 333 mph, a N/A stock bodied car now runs 308 mph. Seems like a waist to me.

[TL222]

I did sat that I doubt they could, but if you let them add some spray then it's a whole new deal. :o

[krusty]

" How hard could it be to go 55 mph faster?" Mike - did you forget the tongue-in-cheek smilie after this sentence? Good luck @ Elmo this weekend. vic

[MAXX2]

Not to rain on any NASCAR parade but I highly doubt that they can make enough HP to go 300 with an unblown small block. :o


TL222;

That "Officially" lays down the challenge to see 'WHO' goes 300 first in a Nascar Bodied Car with a 'Small Block'!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We would like to point out something, and will not step on anyone's toes, so don't anyone take it wrong, please.

Great to see Poteet exceed 300 in Blowfish, and have no idea what his/their ultimate goal is in the car. Will they try to go 1 MPH faster that Leggett did in the Firebird???

What we do know is there is way over one half million dollars in the car, and that's great also. It's a work of art/love, and the owner(s) should be proud of how the car came together, and how it changes as the speeds increase.

There will be quite a few Nascar Bodied Cars at the salt if and when a class is forthcoming, but we can honestly tell everyone that these cars are being built on a "Very Stringent Low Buck Budget. There will be 'No Compromises' in safety in any way, shape, or form, but the $$$s are just not there for the "Small Teams" such as ours, or for that matter, any of the Nascar Bodied Teams.

Everyone is quite proud how this topic/thread has become very civilized, and if a class does not come to fruition, then that's still fine, and we will do everything in our power(s) to attract the Nascar Bodied Cars to run all of the Land Speed Racing Venues.

As noted by Daryl (aka REV), a multitude of these cars are now for sale at "Bargain Basement Prices", as Nascar changes Bodies/Motors.

MAXX
MAXX2RACING
http://maxx2racing.com/
http://maxx2racing.info/
http://maxx2racing.org/

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[revolutionary]

As an alternative to having the SCTA sanction a class for these cars, there is no reason why 'we' can't create a car club , maybe the NBRA (Nascar Bodied Racing Association?), like many of the other car clubs that race at Speedweek and create a set of class rules to standardize some records. The cars would run in T/O but could be ranked by the 'NBRA'. MAXX, maybe you could look into forming a non profit and checking with the SCTA to make sure there would be no issues with a car club being there. If the guys act like human beings and standardize things, perhaps the SCTA would be more apt to adopt them...

[TL222]

Maxx, I'm with you on Blowfish. It is a beautiful car!! It also run a NASCAR style(I believe) 358 CID block. The only difference is that it runs on fuel and is turbo charged. There is also a reason that it runs in Comp Coupe, the front end on that car is not stock. It has been aerodynamically enhanced, and the rear quarter panels have been modified. So although it is fast it is not considered by many to be a stock bodied car. It has surprised a lot of us in how fast it has gone, we shall see how fast it can go. Hopefully they will be at speedweek so most of us can see it run. They chose to go to the finals, which is less crowded. >:( On a you tube video one of their guys said it was on a 317 mph run? ??? Best of luck to them and all that try to break their speed goals. ;D

[dwarner230]

May I suggest that you approach the USFRA and try to get your NASCAR club to run during their event. Run on the 130 course and award your own trophy. There are far too many entrants at Speedweek to accommendate an additional inter-event. You may try running only from Wed. thru Fri. when the numbers are down.

Blowfish ran at World of Speed, small detail but worth the mention. George stayed over and drove the Speed Demon streamliner on its incredible 435 MPH run.

DW

[dwarner230]

Amost a week since the "interested in a NASCAR class" people have posted to this link.

I hope everyone realizes that they are not so interested and do not plan to pursue this challenge.

DW

[studemax]

Yeah, we've just been "humoring" them....

[horsewidower]

I don't think its about "humoring", I think its about follow through. They've sought a new class with SCTA, Dan and others have tried to help them begin the process, and the ball is in their court. If they choose to follow through and go through the process of creating rules, submit them to the SCTA, and work through the process then they have a chance to create a new class. If not, then they run for time only. The burden is on them.

[MAXX2]

I don't think its about "humoring", I think its about follow through. They've sought a new class with SCTA, Dan and others have tried to help them begin the process, and the ball is in their court. If they choose to follow through and go through the process of creating rules, submit them to the SCTA, and work through the process then they have a chance to create a new class. If not, then they run for time only. The burden is on them.


The "Follow Thru" is alive and well, but we're curious why you would be interested enough to even waste your time. It took many years for the SCTA/BNI to become organized as it is today, and yet, you're asking that we have the NBRA (Nascar Bodied Racing Association) "Signed In Blood" in a couple of weeks, and then presented to 'Whatever/Whoever'??? Makes no sense, does it???

Forming a Non-Profit, putting all the legal paperwork together, making sure potential Land Speed Racers understand the "Safety Aspects" of the sport, it doesn't happen "Overnight". Will you step forward and do this with us???

Note that Dan made a suggestion that we do this thru the USFRA, not the SCTA.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnndddddddddddddd, Judy and I have no problem with "T.O." at SCTA/BNI events.

MAXX
MAXX2RACING
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[revolutionary]

Dan, we've been talking to others off-line to see what kind of interest there is in such a thing. So far the people that we've talked to have been quite interested but don't go online and hang around in forums. Sorry for no update. As MAXX said, we're looking into it and it takes time. Got to run a business and all.

[White Monster]

I'm just being honest, regardless of how blunt I appear.
Looking for others to do the work for you, is how most of you are coming across.

I'd love for your club, team, or whatever to prove me wrong and get a rough draft of the requirements written
(and not just some cut and paste from another rule book).

Post up a serious attempt at some rules and I'm sure you will get some serious input.
Just my opinion and nobody elses.

[horsewidower]

Maxx, I think you took my post the wrong way. I was replying to the post about "humoring" you folks. I'm not here trying to piss in your Wheaties.

[revolutionary]

Was there this much animosity when the guys wanted to run trucks at bonneville?

[Dynoroom]

Was there this much animosity when the guys wanted to run trucks at bonneville?


1st to answer your question, yes. Anytime new classes are brought up a lot of us get defensive. The SCTA has enough classes already imo. It is not there (the SCTA's) obligation to make a class for everyone who wants one. But as has been said here & done in the past if enough folks want a class & can show that there are cars & people ready to run the SCTA has made classes. The truck class you speak of along with the new rear engine modified roadster class as recent examples.

What you seem to miss is the real problem for the SCTA. They don't want to deal with the guy who has a 1986 Bill Elliot T-Bird & then come Billy Bob with a 1998 Lumina that waxes it in the aero dept. Nascar teams changed bodies all the time. The fact is the SCTA has no way to police body modifications. But if you came up with the "correct" templets for the cars in question, had enough people who were really going to run, etc. I'm sure a trial class could be formed. Just be aware we don't need/want anymore classes so you need to be VERY persuasive. So far you haven't shown me a reason to even think about it, just acted like little kids saying I'll show you.

I think the fact is this will all blow over soon as it's really a none issue. You have said you wouldn't mind running for time only. Well you always could have. So whats the big deal?

Like I have already said, the 1st factory production bodied car to run 300 mph did so in 1999. The fastest production bodied car has run over 333 mph & last year the 1st N/A production bodied car ran 308 mph. So whats the big deal with Nascar "stockers" running?

[dwarner230]

As Mike wrote, 300 has been done. There is no new ground here. If you think a N/A, 358 ci, single 4 barrel engine is going to push a 3800 lb. car to 300 you need to buy some performance software. Try these parameters on your Xbox.

DW

[revolutionary]

The truck class you speak of along with the new rear engine modified roadster class as recent examples.
So far you haven't shown me a reason to even think about it, just acted like little kids saying I'll show you.
So whats the big deal with Nascar "stockers" running?

I don't quite get the deal with a class for rear engine modified roadsters, but I guess some peole like it so it's in.
I don't think I'm acting like a little kiddie. Just asking some questions and want realistic answers with good reasoning.
There's no bigger deal running an oval track car than there is running anything else out there. Does anyone care who has the fastest 94 cubic inch 77 plymouth volare with the headlights taped over besides the guy driving it? No, but there is a class for it. Some people like chocolate and some vanilla.

[std]

But we all know chocolate is better

[revolutionary]

As Mike wrote, 300 has been done. There is no new ground here. If you think a N/A, 358 ci, single 4 barrel engine is going to push a 3800 lb. car to 300 you need to buy some performance software. Try these parameters on your Xbox.

DW

400 has been done with piston engines as well, so we should all quit then. Is that the theory?
Referring to an earlier post, you suggested bringing the proposed 'car club' to a USFRA event instead of Speedweek. Is that your suggestion for all car clubs like the Grinders, Milers, etc as well?
I seriously doubt that a n/a 358 inch single 4 barrel engine would make enough to get one of the circle track cars to 250, but then isn't setting a goal that is just out of reach what land speed racing all about?
BTW, I don't own an Xbox. What games do you like to play on yours?

[dwarner230]

First off, in response to your rear engine roadster question. A look at the history books will show that the configuration is a major part of our history. Take a look at the events, a high percentage of entries are in the truck classes, the Vintage engine classes, the Classic body classes and the small(read Honda, etc.) engine classes that is why the classes exist.

If a NASCAR class is what is being asked for then it should look like an "as raced" car. No belly pans, no modified noses, no top chops, no wings. The engine should be N/A, a max of 358 ci., single four barrel, pushrods, 3800 lb. minimum weight, etc. all the high tech NASCAR stuff. If the group can formulate a set rules and certification procedures then maybe the class stands a chance of being established.

History and reading the rulebook is a big part of the LSR scene. There is a place for 400 MPH streamliners or slant six Volares if that is what blows your skirt up. If you want to play, respect those who have come before.

My suggestion about USFRA was to offer an option for a place that the "club"(where did that come from?) could find a place to show interest and run to a set of their own rules and records. BTW, why does legal paper work have to be done to set up a set of rules?

"Forming a Non-Profit, putting all the legal paperwork together..."

I also do not own a gaming system, why too complicated for me.

DW

[YELLA BRICK]

Go to the Salt as a 'club' with your own rules, run T.O.'s, and 'award' within the 'club'. Do this for a couple of years to 'field test' the theory and THEN approach SCTA with a new class request. It ain't gonna happen overnight and without your homework being done ,....IMHO

[revolutionary]

Go to the Salt as a 'club' with your own rules, run T.O.'s, and 'award' within the 'club'. Do this for a couple of years to 'field test' the theory and THEN approach SCTA with a new class request. It ain't gonna happen overnight and without your homework being done ,....IMHO


That is exactly where this is heading.

The 'club', 'group' or 'association' whatever you want to call it is all the same. That was what I threw out there on the last page. Just a way to get an initial bunch of people running the same type of car together and like other clubs/associations that run at SCTA events, may have performance awards within that group based on body style/year/engine. The 'forming a non-profit' deal is just another idea that is out there as a way to limit liability and help with tax benefits and is not that uncommon for clubs/associations to do.

The purpose of this thread was to get an idea of what was involved in getting a sanctioned class at an SCTA event and pick the brains of some of those involved. If the answer is 'we don't want those cars here and they'll never be sacntioned' for whatever reason then that is fine. They'll just run time only.

I'm not sure why this turned into something other than a frank exhange of ideas. Dan, you are the face of SCTA on this site so we respect your opinion on such matters but if it comes with a smart comment thrown in then that also represents the SCTA.

BTW, for those who do want to run a Cup type car it looks like the streamliner classes would be the place to do it as the cars - certainly the COT - don't use any modified production bodies per the rules. They are individually fabricated and lets face it, have no resemblance to any production cars.

[White Monster]

Dan, you are the face of SCTA on this site so we respect your opinion on such matters but if it comes with a smart comment thrown in then that also represents the SCTA.


Daryl, I know you and am amazed that you would say something like this. Just because Dan is a member of the SCTA, does not mean that everything he does in his entire life is "representing the SCTA". That is just ludicrous.

He may be able to provide advise regarding SCTA rules and regulations, but he does not have to wear the SCTA hat the entire time he posts on this thread. He is an individual and that should be recognized and respected by all.

Because you are a member of the ECTA, does not mean we all think you represent the ECTA with your comments.
Right ?

[std]

This is one of the dumbest threads on here. Ever

[studemax]

This is one of the dumbest threads on here. Ever

Oh, dang - now the secrets out!

[KeithTurk]

But it's long

K

[revolutionary]

Steve I said that because when I can flip inside the rulebook and see someone's picture and their position within the SCTA as more than a member, I look to them as an authority figure on the subject. Maybe that's why Keith doesn't have any of their pics in the ECTA rulebook...wait a minute...does that mean there's no authority in the ECTA??? ;D

Anyhoo, I'm not on here to ruffle feathers, just looking to explore possibilities. I have a really good friend that always calls me with ideas for his car - he comes up with one way to do something and I come up with something else - every time. He says it's his job to come up with ideas and my job to shoot them down. I figure that's what forums like this are for. There's never any hard feelings because we're both looking to achieve the same goal and after talking about it he does whatever he wants anyhow. I like to think of BS the same way, that's why I don't like it when things get bent out of shape - either from me, to me or from one member to another. So, I'll just end my part in this post and go about it in other ways. I'd rather lose time than friends like you guys. (we can now share an ABC afterschool special moment)

[White Monster]

Daryl, believe me, I do understand where you are coming from, and not every post by other members is directed to you specifically. Your "club" associates are posting as well. At least I have been given the impression that they are associated with you.

I'm not on here to ruffle feathers either, just trying to convey the notion that others are not going to do the work for your "club". As previously stated, it is up to you guys to do the legwork, not the SCTA.

I don't like it when things get bent out of shape either, but there is no reason to end your part in this discussion and I would hope you are thick-skinned enough that our friendship is not in jeopardy just because we don't agree.

Life is good and the LSR family are the best people on the planet !
;D

[Fordplay0621]

Can't really say there is no money in it. I just picked up a full Sponsor for my Project. (Unlimited Streamliner Class)

[White Monster]

I just picked up a full Sponsor for my Project. (Unlimited Streamliner Class)


Sweet, way to go Randal !
;)

[98ciHemi]

Can't really say there is no money in it. I just picked up a full Sponsor for my Project. (Unlimited Streamliner Class)


Awesome!

[min301]

Congrats on the sponsorship. :)

[TL222]

Can't really say there is no money in it. I just picked up a full Sponsor for my Project. (Unlimited Streamliner Class)


Now you just need to start a build diary on your project so we can all follow it. ;D